2012 NHL RE--DRAFT !!

[DanM]

Andersen was 4th, and has been way more consistent than Hellebuck, yet he's in the HM's. Hellebuyck has had ONE good year, zero chance Oilers would take him over the likes of Forsberg, Lindholm and some of the other defenseman when they already have Talbot. I'm sorry, but majority of your posts seems like you only see things through the Jets goggles.

Even if the Oilers were dead set on a goalie (I don't see why they would, when they could add a #1 in Lindholm, or some depth scoring which they need) in what world are they taking Hellebuyck over Vasi?

As for the bolded, just lol. Not really worth my time discussing this with you when it's apparent outside of Jets games you don't watch a lot of hockey.

The poster you responded to just shits on Leaf players all the time. I am sure he or she is not a bad person, and I may have even had a decent convo with them before on here, but it's obvious the Leaf hate is strong with this one lol

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Griffin Reinhart goes 1st OA since 3 years later you can trade him for Barzal + 2nd

Oilers trade Reinhart to themselves?

 

[LordNeverLose]

Oilers trade Reinhart to themselves?

Well if they take Reinhart #1 then they never trade the Barzal pick for him

 

[Walshy7]

Surely in this exercise in hindsight Shayne Ghostibere isn't available? id definitely take him with one of the leafs 2011 first round picks. In hindsight there is no way he is skipped over in the 2011 draft

 

[WhatTheDuck]

It's so sad to see what has happened to Nail Yakupov ... On the bright-side, this draft has produced a lot of #1D!

Here is my list:

1) Morgan Rielly --->> A 2WD that has shown his value in the NHL. He is a capable #1D, any one who thinks differently does not watch him play and merely reads plus-minus. He lead the Maple Leafs, a team with a lack of quality defense-men to 6th place in the entire NHL! His 2-way play accentuated in the playoffs. He is not just an offensive piece, he is a defensive specialist as well. He is paired with Rookies or Ron Hainsey (who is past his prime) and faces one of THE TOUGHEST MATCH-UPS and USAGE in the entire NHL, and, has made it look easy. Keep in mind that the Leafs have only Rielly to turn to on Defense. No one else comes close to his play on the Leafs' roster.

2) Filip Forsberg. -->>> Rielly and Forsberg are interchangeable. They are very close in value, but, a gun pointed to my head -- if I were asked to build a team and given the choice between Rielly and Forsberg, I would chose #1D Rielly over the #1w Forsberg-- simply due to his 2-way play. Forsberg has led the Preds' offense for many years now, and, has developed into one of the premier wingers in the NHL. Forsberg definantly has the potential for 90+ points, I believe he is due for 90+ points, as early as next season.

3) Shane Ghostistbehere -->> He is a true offensive specialist. He is only 25 years old still and isn't even close to hitting his prime. He definantly has the potential to reach Erik Karlsson status, the only question is ... how bad does he want it? He has the neccessary IQ and Skill-level to reach that level.

4) Matt Dumba -->> Dumba is one of the best up and coming D-MAN in the game, he is shadowed by the Wilds' quantity of terrific defense-men! His value is close to Rielly's, but, a little less, only because Rielly was the sole quality defender on the Leafs and lead the Leafs to top 6 in the NHL. Also, I believe, Rielly has better 2-way play than Dumba. But, Dumba could easily overtake Rielly in the future. Matt Dumba is a #1D at the moment, and, one of the games best at that!

5) Andrei Valisevski -->> One of the best goalies in the NHL currently. You COULD make a case for him being the best. Key-word, COULD. This rank placement is very miscellaneous, because it's a goalie. The value of Goalies in the NHL is a complete mystery. Goalies are un-predictable, one season they are good, the next, they are bad. Hopefully Valisevski can keep up his consistency!

Lol oh Leafs fans

 

[DaPhazz]

Firstly, Hellebuyck was 2nd in Vezina votes last season, where did Rielly land in the Norris voting?

Secondly, neither are the best of the draft(I agree it’s a toss up between Lindholm and Foresberg and then everybody else) but do you really think Edmonton needs another LHD(with Klefbom and Nurse, Lindholm would be a fair pick, but Rielly would just make the Oilers worse than they already are with his lack of overall Defensive game) or RW(they have Puljujarvi and Yamamoto in the waits) over a goalie?

Now to be fair, if I where ranking the players off of skill and value I probably wouldn’t have Hellebuyck before #10 but again the Oilers really need a goalie rather than a Defensmen who can score 50 points while basically playing blindfolded in the D-Zone.

Following your reasonning, Oilers should've gone for best goalie available, Vasilevskiy.

 

[ijuka]

Surely in this exercise in hindsight Shayne Ghostibere isn't available? id definitely take him with one of the leafs 2011 first round picks. In hindsight there is no way he is skipped over in the 2011 draft

Agreed. In a redraft, overagers should be going in their first draft. This has never made sense to me.

 

[57special]

I think's it's fair to say that we can revisit this thread in 5 years and have totally different opinions. Will Trouba continue to get injured? Will Dumba fizzle out? Slavin plateau?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I think we have done this recently already.

Just going to do my top 4.

Forsberg
Lindholm
Vasilevsky
Gostisbehere

For 5. Trouba, Rielly. Parayko, Hellybuyck. Pick one.

 

[BAM]

Lol oh Leafs fans

Do some research, Rielly is a legit #1 D and very underrated on this site. 50 + points while facing some of the toughest QoC in the league and has a positive shot differential relative to their teammates.

List of D-men that face competition in the 90th percentile or higher, scored more than 50 points and have a positive shot differential relative to their teammates:

Doughty
Hedman
Rielly

Now do I think he's on that Norris level right now? No, but if he repeats his last year he will be a legitimate top 5-10 D-man in the league on a sweet heart contract.

 

[X66]

Rielly is the best Dman from that group.

People are realizing more and more that a defenceman's D-partner is huge for their overall game.

How many of those guys play with worse partners than Rielly?

This is why at the world-cup he was by far the best dman on the team and one of the best dmen in the tournament, because he had a competent partner.

 

[Morgs]

1. Lindholm
2. Forsberg
3. Rielly
4. Slavin
5. Gostisbehere
6. Trouba
7. Parayko
8. Galchenyuk
9. Dumba
10. Murray

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

This has turned to a Leafs thread really quickly...

 

[Cheddabombs]

1. Filip Forsberg
2. Hampus Lindholm
3. Andrei Vasilevskiy
4. Jaccob Slavin
5. Colton Parayko
6. Morgan Rielly
7. Mathew Dumba
8. Alex Galchenyuk
9. Jacob Trouba
10. Connor Hellebuyck
11. Shayne Gostisbehere
12. Teuvo Teravainen
13. Ryan Murray
14. Tomas Hertl
15. Matt Murray
16. Frederik Andersen
17. Michael Matheson
18. Brady Skjei
19. Colin Miller
20. Tanner Pearson
21. Chris Tierney
22. Olli Maatta
23. Esa Lindell
24. Andreas Athanasiou
25. Josh Anderson
26. Radek Faksa
27. Devin Shore
28. Tom Wilson
29. Jimmy Vesey
30. Alex Kerfoot

HMs: (not in order)
Charles Hudon
Zemgus Girgensons
Scott Laughton
Cody Ceci
Jake McCabe
Ben Hutton
Connor Brown
Matt Benning
Mark Jankowski
Adam Pelech

Severson at least could have been an honourable mention lol

 

[Breakers]

1) Morgan Rielly --->> A 2WD that has shown his value in the NHL. He is a capable #1D, any one who thinks differently does not watch him play and merely reads plus-minus. He lead the Maple Leafs, a team with a lack of quality defense-men to 6th place in the entire NHL! His 2-way play accentuated in the playoffs. He is not just an offensive piece, he is a defensive specialist as well. He is paired with Rookies or Ron Hainsey (who is past his prime) and faces one of THE TOUGHEST MATCH-UPS and USAGE in the entire NHL, and, has made it look easy. Keep in mind that the Leafs have only Rielly to turn to on Defense. No one else comes close to his play on the Leafs' roster.

What the hell did I just read.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Hellebucyk at #1 is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on here, and that says a lot.

1) Forsberg
2) Lindholm
3) Rielly
4) Trouba
5) Slavin
6) Parayko
7) Dumba
8) Galchenyuk
9) Vas
10) Murray

 

[MasterMatt25]

Hellebucyk at #1 is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on here, and that says a lot.

1) Forsberg
2) Lindholm
3) Rielly
4) Trouba
5) Slavin
6) Parayko
7) Dumba
8) Galchenyuk
9) Vas
10) Murray

Trouba above Slavin and Parayko? What?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

This has turned to a Leafs thread really quickly...

Welcome to the forums where every thread is a leafs thread.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Rielly is the best Dman from that group.

People are realizing more and more that a defenceman's D-partner is huge for their overall game.

How many of those guys play with worse partners than Rielly?

This is why at the world-cup he was by far the best dman on the team and one of the best dmen in the tournament, because he had a competent partner.

Wouldnt that apply to lindholm playin in a defensive system, with a shutdown dmen as a partner,and a crap power play. As to why his point totals arnt over 40... or is this like a leafs only type of thing.

Rielly plays with a top 3 offense, outside of last year their offensive #s are close but lindholm has been elite defensivly the whole time. Is it coinidence his numbers bolted up when the leafs became a top offensive team?

 

[heretik27]

Just throwin it out there, but Matt Murray has won two Cups already and I've seen him listed behind Hellebuyck and Vasi on quite a few lists here. Did he just suddenly fall off a cliff this season without Fleury to push him? Or am I right in assuming recency bias is in full effect here?

 

[RedWingzz]

1. Filip Forsberg
2. Hampus Lindholm
3. Andrei Vasilevskiy
4. Jaccob Slavin
5. Colton Parayko
6. Morgan Rielly
7. Mathew Dumba
8. Alex Galchenyuk
9. Jacob Trouba
10. Connor Hellebuyck
11. Shayne Gostisbehere
12. Teuvo Teravainen
13. Ryan Murray
14. Tomas Hertl
15. Matt Murray
16. Frederik Andersen
17. Michael Matheson
18. Brady Skjei
19. Colin Miller
20. Tanner Pearson
21. Chris Tierney
22. Olli Maatta
23. Esa Lindell
24. Andreas Athanasiou
25. Josh Anderson
26. Radek Faksa
27. Devin Shore
28. Tom Wilson
29. Jimmy Vesey
30. Alex Kerfoot

HMs: (not in order)
Charles Hudon
Zemgus Girgensons
Scott Laughton
Cody Ceci
Jake McCabe
Ben Hutton
Connor Brown
Matt Benning
Mark Jankowski
Adam Pelech
Damon Severson

I think you have Athanasiou too low. If you are strictly looking at production so far, then it's justifiable, but I think potential wise, he's too low here. He really is a mysterious player to watch. Some games he looks like he his star potential, other games he is invisible. This upcoming season is huge for him.

 

[Eb]

Rielly isn't the best D of the draft, let alone the best player.

Pardon?

 

[Bond]

You are all wrong...


1. Mark Jankowski


Humongous gap



2. Hampus Lindholm
3. Andrei Vasilevskiy
4. Jaccob Slavin
5. Colton Parayko
6. Morgan Rielly
7. Mathew Dumba
8. Alex Galchenyuk
9. Jacob Trouba
10. Connor Hellebuyck

 

[Lays]

Pardon?

You really bumped this to start up another thread about Rielly?

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Man getting Lindholm & Andersen in that draft was huge. Lindholm plays the toughest minutes out of all the Dmen in that draft with the highest Defensive Zone Starts 57% & 25+ minutes a game.
Certainly better than having a top 5 pick in that draft.