2012 NHL RE--DRAFT !!

2legit2quit · Jul 22, 2018

It's so sad to see what has happened to Nail Yakupov ... On the bright-side, this draft has produced a lot of #1D!

Here is my list:

1) Morgan Rielly --->> A 2WD that has shown his value in the NHL. He is a capable #1D, any one who thinks differently does not watch him play and merely reads plus-minus. He lead the Maple Leafs, a team with a lack of quality defense-men to 6th place in the entire NHL! His 2-way play accentuated in the playoffs. He is not just an offensive piece, he is a defensive specialist as well. He is paired with Rookies or Ron Hainsey (who is past his prime) and faces one of THE TOUGHEST MATCH-UPS and USAGE in the entire NHL, and, has made it look easy. Keep in mind that the Leafs have only Rielly to turn to on Defense. No one else comes close to his play on the Leafs' roster.

2) Filip Forsberg. -->>> Rielly and Forsberg are interchangeable. They are very close in value, but, a gun pointed to my head -- if I were asked to build a team and given the choice between Rielly and Forsberg, I would chose #1D Rielly over the #1w Forsberg-- simply due to his 2-way play. Forsberg has led the Preds' offense for many years now, and, has developed into one of the premier wingers in the NHL. Forsberg definantly has the potential for 90+ points, I believe he is due for 90+ points, as early as next season.

3) Shane Ghostistbehere -->> He is a true offensive specialist. He is only 25 years old still and isn't even close to hitting his prime. He definantly has the potential to reach Erik Karlsson status, the only question is ... how bad does he want it? He has the neccessary IQ and Skill-level to reach that level.

4) Matt Dumba -->> Dumba is one of the best up and coming D-MAN in the game, he is shadowed by the Wilds' quantity of terrific defense-men! His value is close to Rielly's, but, a little less, only because Rielly was the sole quality defender on the Leafs and lead the Leafs to top 6 in the NHL. Also, I believe, Rielly has better 2-way play than Dumba. But, Dumba could easily overtake Rielly in the future. Matt Dumba is a #1D at the moment, and, one of the games best at that!

5) Andrei Valisevski -->> One of the best goalies in the NHL currently. You COULD make a case for him being the best. Key-word, COULD. This rank placement is very miscellaneous, because it's a goalie. The value of Goalies in the NHL is a complete mystery. Goalies are un-predictable, one season they are good, the next, they are bad. Hopefully Valisevski can keep up his consistency!

Kudo Shinichi · Jul 23, 2018

Rielly isn't the best D of the draft, let alone the best player.

StatisticsAddict99 · Jul 23, 2018

First of all I seen Reilly and I laughed(I knew you where a Leafs fan) and secondly a “Re-Draft” should have more than 5 players.

1. Oilers:
• Hellebuyck
-
Edmonton picks the best Goalie available, that said I’m aware Hellebuyck is not the top rated player in the draft(there are atleast 5-10 higher ranked players today IMO, but Oilers biggest need is Goaltending).

2. Columbus:
• Foresberg
-
Columbus leaves the draft with the best player available through the draft who can play a 200ft game and score with ease.

3. Montreal:
• Lindholm
-
Montreal selects the best defencemen available who is a Top 3 Defensive Defensemen in the NHL today, it fits the need and they get the BPA at this pick

4. Islanders:
• Trouba:
-
Islanders select the 2nd best Defensemen of the draft who exempts not only a very strong Defensive and physical game but also a very strong Offensive one as well.

5. Toronto:
• Slavin
-
The Leafs desperately need a big physical shutdown Defensemen and that’s exactly what Slavic is and he’s one of the best.

6. Anahiem:
• Gostisbehere
- Anaheim picks BPA in the highest scoring D-man of the Draft.

7. Minnesota:
• Dumba
- Pick stays the same.

8. Pittsburgh:
• Rielly
- Pens get the BPA in the high scoring D-man Rielly.

9. Winnipeg:
• Vasilevsky
- Jets now not having Hellebuyck, they pick the best Goalie available to replace him.

10. Tampa
• Murray
- Tampa picks Murray for the same reason^

—————

11. Washington:
• Parayko

12. Buffalo:
• Andersen

13. Dallas:
• Galchenyuk

14. Buffalo:
• Matheson

15. Ottawa:
• Skjei

ottawa · Jul 23, 2018

Just realized both Forsberg and Galchenyuk have the same amount of points (255).

Galchenyuk
418GP ; 108G ; 147A

Forsberg
331GP ; 117G ; 138A

boredmale · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
First of all I seen Reilly and I laughed(I knew you where a Leafs fan) and secondly a “Re-Draft” should have more than 5 players.

1. Oilers:
• Hellebuyck

Pot Meet Kettle

On a side note as an Islanders fan knowing how things play out 6 years later I take Reinhart 4th. lol

LeafGrief · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
First of all I seen Reilly and I laughed(I knew you where a Leafs fan) and secondly a “Re-Draft” should have more than 5 players.

1. Oilers:
• Hellebuyck
-
Edmonton picks the best Goalie available, that said I’m aware Hellebuyck is not the top rated player in the draft(there are atleast 5-10 higher ranked players today IMO, but Oilers biggest need is Goaltending).

2. Columbus:
• Foresberg
-
Columbus leaves the draft with the best player available through the draft who can play a 200ft game and score with ease.

3. Montreal:
• Lindholm
-
Montreal selects the best defencemen available who is a Top 3 Defensive Defensemen in the NHL today, it fits the need and they get the BPA at this pick

4. Islanders:
• Trouba:
-
Islanders select the 2nd best Defensemen of the draft who exempts not only a very strong Defensive and physical game but also a very strong Offensive one as well.

5. Toronto:
• Slavin
-
The Leafs desperately need a big physical shutdown Defensemen and that’s exactly what Slavic is and he’s one of the best.

6. Anahiem:
• Gostisbehere
- Anaheim picks BPA in the highest scoring D-man of the Draft.

7. Minnesota:
• Dumba
- Pick stays the same.

8. Pittsburgh:
• Rielly
- Pens get the BPA in the high scoring D-man Rielly.

9. Winnipeg:
• Vasilevsky
- Jets now not having Hellebuyck, they pick the best Goalie available to replace him.

10. Tampa
• Murray
- Tampa picks Murray for the same reason^

—————

11. Washington:
• Parayko

12. Buffalo:
• Andersen

13. Dallas:
• Galchenyuk

14. Buffalo:
• Matheson

15. Ottawa:
• Skjei

Did you really just chirp the guy for Leafs bias and then put two Jets in the top4??? Bruh...

AppsSyl · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
First of all I seen Reilly and I laughed(I knew you where a Leafs fan) and secondly a “Re-Draft” should have more than 5 players.

1. Oilers:
• Hellebuyck
-
Edmonton picks the best Goalie available, that said I’m aware Hellebuyck is not the top rated player in the draft(there are atleast 5-10 higher ranked players today IMO, but Oilers biggest need is Goaltending).

4. Islanders:
• Trouba:
-
Islanders select the 2nd best Defensemen of the draft who exempts not only a very strong Defensive and physical game but also a very strong Offensive one as well.

....says the Jets fan who just put one of his players 1stOA and the other 4thOA.

StatisticsAddict99 · Jul 23, 2018

LeafGrief said:
Did you really just chirp the guy for Leafs bias and then put two Jets in the top4??? Bruh...

Hellebuyck was 2nd in Vezina votes this season, Rielly was Top 15 in Points(impressive but not as impressive) and wasn’t even reliable defensively.

One of the Oilers biggest issues is the fact they had horrific Goaltending this season... The Oilers do not need a unreliable scoring LHD(they already have that in Klefbom).

boredmale · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
One of the Oilers biggest issues is the fact they had horrific Goaltending this season... The Oilers do not need a unreliable scoring LHD(they already have that in Klefbom).

No 1 goalie would fix the Oilers defensive issues this year,to blame Talbot for the fault of the team would be unfair. Beyond that a redraft should basically be list the players in order how you think they should be drafted(without putting much stock in who makes the picks). While I wouldn't put Reilly #1 overall he is much closer to the #1 guy then Hellbuyck

AppsSyl · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
Hellebuyck was 2nd in Vezina votes this season, Rielly was Top 15 in Points(impressive but not as impressive) and wasn’t even reliable defensively.

One of the Oilers biggest issues is the fact they had horrific Goaltending this season... The Oilers do not need a unreliable scoring LHD(they already have that in Klefbom).

I think you need to wait and see how Hellebuyck follows up his season. Goalies are voodoo, and there have been many a goalie with a really good season only to have trouble repeating the performance.

LeafGrief · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
Hellebuyck was 2nd in Vezina votes this season, Rielly was Top 15 in Points(impressive but not as impressive) and wasn’t even reliable defensively.

One of the Oilers biggest issues is the fact they had horrific Goaltending this season... The Oilers do not need a unreliable scoring LHD(they already have that in Klefbom).

As opposed to the good goaltending they had last year? You don't really think they would have rather taken the best defenseman and not traded away Taylor Hall??

TBH I don't care at all about whether Rielly goes first and I'm certainly not going to waste my time arguing about him. Maybe someone else will take the bait.

AuraSphere · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
First of all I seen Reilly and I laughed(I knew you where a Leafs fan) and secondly a “Re-Draft” should have more than 5 players.

1. Oilers:
• Hellebuyck
-
Edmonton picks the best Goalie available, that said I’m aware Hellebuyck is not the top rated player in the draft(there are atleast 5-10 higher ranked players today IMO, but Oilers biggest need is Goaltending).

2. Columbus:
• Foresberg
-
Columbus leaves the draft with the best player available through the draft who can play a 200ft game and score with ease.

3. Montreal:
• Lindholm
-
Montreal selects the best defencemen available who is a Top 3 Defensive Defensemen in the NHL today, it fits the need and they get the BPA at this pick

4. Islanders:
• Trouba:
-
Islanders select the 2nd best Defensemen of the draft who exempts not only a very strong Defensive and physical game but also a very strong Offensive one as well.

5. Toronto:
• Slavin
-
The Leafs desperately need a big physical shutdown Defensemen and that’s exactly what Slavic is and he’s one of the best.

6. Anahiem:
• Gostisbehere
- Anaheim picks BPA in the highest scoring D-man of the Draft.

7. Minnesota:
• Dumba
- Pick stays the same.

8. Pittsburgh:
• Rielly
- Pens get the BPA in the high scoring D-man Rielly.

9. Winnipeg:
• Vasilevsky
- Jets now not having Hellebuyck, they pick the best Goalie available to replace him.

10. Tampa
• Murray
- Tampa picks Murray for the same reason^

—————

11. Washington:
• Parayko

12. Buffalo:
• Andersen

13. Dallas:
• Galchenyuk

14. Buffalo:
• Matheson

15. Ottawa:
• Skjei

As much as I agree that Rielly isn't the best player in the draft. You really shouldn't be the one talking placing 2 WPG players who have no right to be in the top 5 both in the top 5... LOL

Also.. you really did lose all credibility in the eyes of many with your silly proposals in the trade rumour thread. Really shows me your lack of understanding of all players and your evident homerism.

Regardless, back on topic, I'd say the top 5 of this draft are Lindholm, Forsberg, Slavin, Rielly, Parayko

GHJimmy · Jul 23, 2018

ottawa said:
Just realized both Forsberg and Galchenyuk have the same amount of points (255).

Galchenyuk
418GP ; 108G ; 147A

Forsberg
331GP ; 117G ; 138A

And Galchenyuk traded for a last two season 18 goals... Probably 4-8 empty net goals... It was a sad trade for me

Leopain · Jul 23, 2018

ottawa said:
Just realized both Forsberg and Galchenyuk have the same amount of points (255).

Galchenyuk
418GP ; 108G ; 147A

Forsberg
331GP ; 117G ; 138A

They do, but Forsberg has played the equivalent of a whole season less to get there.

He is also faster, grittier, better defensively, more consistent and more of a leader.

Chucky made a habit of breaking out when his team was eliminated from playoffs contention.

Forsberg is the best player of the 2012 draft and it's not close.

DanM · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
Hellebuyck was 2nd in Vezina votes this season, Rielly was Top 15 in Points(impressive but not as impressive) and wasn’t even reliable defensively.

One of the Oilers biggest issues is the fact they had horrific Goaltending this season... The Oilers do not need a unreliable scoring LHD(they already have that in Klefbom).

That's how we know you didn't watch him lol have you ever seen who he has been paired with (dragged around) and still got the hardest assignments.

Not a perfect player yet, but he is young and the best is coming.

ookhaab · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
First of all I seen Reilly and I laughed(I knew you where a Leafs fan) and secondly a “Re-Draft” should have more than 5 players.

1. Oilers:
• Hellebuyck
-
Edmonton picks the best Goalie available, that said I’m aware Hellebuyck is not the top rated player in the draft(there are atleast 5-10 higher ranked players today IMO, but Oilers biggest need is Goaltending).

2. Columbus:
• Foresberg
-
Columbus leaves the draft with the best player available through the draft who can play a 200ft game and score with ease.

3. Montreal:
• Lindholm
-
Montreal selects the best defencemen available who is a Top 3 Defensive Defensemen in the NHL today, it fits the need and they get the BPA at this pick

4. Islanders:
• Trouba:
-
Islanders select the 2nd best Defensemen of the draft who exempts not only a very strong Defensive and physical game but also a very strong Offensive one as well.

5. Toronto:
• Slavin
-
The Leafs desperately need a big physical shutdown Defensemen and that’s exactly what Slavic is and he’s one of the best.

6. Anahiem:
• Gostisbehere
- Anaheim picks BPA in the highest scoring D-man of the Draft.

7. Minnesota:
• Dumba
- Pick stays the same.

8. Pittsburgh:
• Rielly
- Pens get the BPA in the high scoring D-man Rielly.

9. Winnipeg:
• Vasilevsky
- Jets now not having Hellebuyck, they pick the best Goalie available to replace him.

10. Tampa
• Murray
- Tampa picks Murray for the same reason^

—————

11. Washington:
• Parayko

12. Buffalo:
• Andersen

13. Dallas:
• Galchenyuk

14. Buffalo:
• Matheson

15. Ottawa:
• Skjei

Trouba is not even the top 3 dman from this draft.

1. Lindholm
2. Rielly
3. Slavin

bossram · Jul 23, 2018

OP, your list doesn't include Lindholm, who is easily the best defenseman of the draft. Quite an injustice.

StatisticsAddict99 · Jul 23, 2018

Ookhaab said:
Trouba is not even the top 3 dman from this draft.

1. Lindholm
2. Rielly
3. Slavin

Lindholm is easily the best(I agree), there should be debate for Slavin and Trouba though(I think Trouba is better overall though, we are threading needles though). Clearly the boards disagree with your #2 though.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/jacob-trouba-vs-morgan-rielly.2491661/

KnuckChuckinTkachuk · Jul 23, 2018

1. Forsberg
2. Lindholm (or #1, really close)
3. Trouba
4. Valisevski
5. Slavin/Rielly/Ghost/Dumba

lawrence · Jul 23, 2018

1 Matt Murray
2 Forsberg
3Vasilevskiy
4 Trouba
5 Parayko
6 Lindholm
7 Reiley

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Wandering Cynic · Jul 23, 2018

1) Edmonton- Hampus Lindholm
2) Columbus- Filip Forsberg
3) Montreal- Morgan Rielly
4) NY Islanders- Shayne Gostisbehere
5) Toronto- Jacob Trouba
6) Anaheim- Jaccob Slavin
7) Minnesota- Colton Parayko
8) Pittsburgh- Matt Murray
9) Winnipeg- Andrei Vasilevskiy
10) Tampa Bay- Connor Hellebuyck

BAM · Jul 23, 2018

1. Lindholm/Rielly
2. Lindhom/Rielly
3. Forsberg
4. Murray
5. Vasilevsky
6. Ghost
7. Dumba
8. Hellebuyck (will move up if he can repeat last season)
9. Slavin
10. Parayko
11. Trouba

Hatter of the Beach · Jul 23, 2018

Very weak draft in hindsight

57special · Jul 23, 2018

Call me crazy, but I'd rate Parayko over Dumba, Slavin, and Trouba, and just behind Lindholm( very good, but overrated) and Rielly. Can see him overtaking Rielly as more valuable in a couple of years, but Rielly's body of work has to count for something.

I mean, a giant Dman with offensive chops, and the ability to defend the biggest, strongest forwards in the league? Good skater for such a big guy? Sign me up!

Critical13 · Jul 23, 2018

WPG99 said:
First of all I seen Reilly and I laughed(I knew you where a Leafs fan) and secondly a “Re-Draft” should have more than 5 players.

1. Oilers:
• Hellebuyck

The irony is amazing on this one.

Here's my redraft:

1. Lindholm
2. Forsberg
3. Parayko
4. Rielly
5. Slavin
6. Trouba
7. Ghost
8. Dumba
9. Matheson
10. Teravainen
11. Vasilevski
12. Hellebuyck
13. Hertl
14. Skjei
15. Andersen
16. Murray
17. Faksa
18. Galchenyuk
19. Maata
20. Murray
21. Wilson
12. Severson
23. Lindell
24. Grzelcyk
25. Athanasiou
26. Pearson
27. LaDue
28. Brown
29. Paquette
30. Vesey

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