GDT: #13|New York Islanders @ Ottawa Senators|November 1st |This Is The End| F S/O 5-4

InformTheMasses

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He's slow, like Moulson.

Matt Moulson makes Thomas Vanek look like Pavel Bure.

Vane is a very good skater with speed. Butch brought up a good point (can you believe it) that he is not used to the pace of the Islanders coming from Buffalo. He'll get there soon enough... a few weeks. and when he does.... LOOK OUT
 

19NYSports91

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He's slow, like Moulson. But he's more talented and a much better passer. Vanek played better, he'll be much more dangerous once he gets used to the team. Vanek isn't Clutterbuck or Cizikas with his effort, never will be. Not his game.

Expect a better. Moulson. Nothing more.

Side question: Has Moulson ever had a breakaway? I don't think so.

Eh vanek isn't really slow.

He's much better than moulson at everything. He was winning puck battles, saw the ice very well and made some great passes to the point and to his forwards. Made at least 3 great plays in the defensive zone to start a rush going the other way. He missed the net on his good chances so far.

I think moulson had a breakaway goal in his first year as an Islander.
 

frankieboy

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He's slow, like Moulson. But he's more talented and a much better passer. Vanek played better, he'll be much more dangerous once he gets used to the team. Vanek isn't Clutterbuck or Cizikas with his effort, never will be. Not his game.

Expect a better. Moulson. Nothing more.

Side question: Has Moulson ever had a breakaway? I don't think so.

I am not sure how you quantify speed vs. quickness (although, like porn, you know it when you see it...vague reference to a US Supreme Court case), but I'd suggest that Moulson and Vanek may have the same "speed," but Vanek is quicker and that leads to the breakaways. I think Vanek is a tick or more better in most aspects than Moulson.
 

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Matt Moulson makes Thomas Vanek look like Pavel Bure.

Vane is a very good skater with speed. Butch brought up a good point (can you believe it) that he is not used to the pace of the Islanders coming from Buffalo. He'll get there soon enough... a few weeks. and when he does.... LOOK OUT

this is key. While I hate the trade, the way the Islanders play compared to most requires adjustment in stamina. We haven't seen the best of Vanek yet and I'm inclined to think just the fact that he will need to use an extra gear to keep up with his minutes/pace will have him fired up.
 

19NYSports91

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Matt Moulson makes Thomas Vanek look like Pavel Bure.

Vane is a very good skater with speed. Butch brought up a good point (can you believe it) that he is not used to the pace of the Islanders coming from Buffalo. He'll get there soon enough... a few weeks. and when he does.... LOOK OUT

I remember that and I agreed completely with butch, which was weird. Buffalo plays a much different style than the Isles. Its tough to adjust in 5 days lol.
 

Chapin Landvogt

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I really respect CHAPIN and consider him one of the best posters on this list, but I agree with you. I thought Vanek played fairly well. Regarding his pass to Tavares on his goal, have we EVER seen that type of pass from Moulson. Maybe, I am overstating things, but the point is that Vanek is THAT type of player. I thought Vanek played fairly well tonight...and I think they are going to get better together.

Over the years, we've probably seen about a dozen such passes from Moulson to Tavares. Don't know how many necessarily led to goals... I felt this one tonight had little to do with some special skill or above-average awareness. It should be tried more often, because you never know who you might catch sleeping, but it was little more than a quick sliding of the puck in some manner towards the slot. I.e. anybody can do it. In most cases it'll be blocked and moved in the other direction. Now, I might feel differently if 30 plays of this nature from him end up being primary assists this season.

Don't get me wrong though, Vanek did some good things tonight, no doubt, but it's a bit like Redbull was referring to with the effort thing. He's not a Cizikas or an Okposo out there. He's not a hustler who puts opponents under pressure or goes digging out pucks all over the ice. Maybe to a degree every now and then, but not with rectless abandon.

And another thing; considering what he costs AND what we paid to get him, I was not expecting him to come in here and be out of breath after 20-30 seconds almost every shift. He looks really out of shape or like someone who's dealing with a lingering injury of some sort. I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say that has more to do with Buffalo's system than his actual physical fitness. He just kind of wanders around slowly and carefully and then looks to get himself into a hole somewhere around the net, but the work is pretty much left up to everyone else. I didn't necessarily think he would be someone whose impact was only going to be felt from in tight around the net or through the odd, clever play. I mean common', we already had that in Moulson.

Don't know who posted it, but I too didn't care for the nonchalant attempts during the breakaway and shootout either. Sure hope he's got more up his sleeve than that.

In general, I guess that in Vanek I'm pretty much expecting Bobby Ryan. That's who I thought he was pretty much gonna be right off the bat. I'm not seeing it. At that paycheck and that trade cost, that's the effort and visibility I was thinking we were getting...

I do expect the situation to develop positively though as he gets used to things and the team gets used to him. But how much more positively?

We'll find out one way or another.
 

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Over the years, we've probably seen about a dozen such passes from Moulson to Tavares. Don't know how many necessarily led to goals... I felt this one tonight had little to do with some special skill or above-average awareness. It should be tried more often, because you never know who you might catch sleeping, but it was little more than a quick sliding of the puck in some manner towards the slot. I.e. anybody can do it. In most cases it'll be blocked and moved in the other direction. Now, I might feel differently if 30 plays of this nature from him end up being primary assists this season.

Don't get me wrong though, Vanek did some good things tonight, no doubt, but it's a bit like Redbull was referring to with the effort thing. He's not a Cizikas or an Okposo out there. He's not a hustler who puts opponents under pressure or goes digging out pucks all over the ice. Maybe to a degree every now and then, but not with rectless abandon.

And another thing; considering what he costs AND what we paid to get him, I was not expecting him to come in here and be out of breath after 20-30 seconds almost every shift. He looks really out of shape or like someone who's dealing with a lingering injury of some sort. I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say that has more to do with Buffalo's system than his actual physical fitness. He just kind of wanders around slowly and carefully and then looks to get himself into a hole somewhere around the net, but the work is pretty much left up to everyone else. I didn't necessarily think he would be someone whose impact was only going to be felt from in tight around the net or through the odd, clever play. I mean common', we already had that in Moulson.

Don't know who posted it, but I too didn't care for the nonchalant attempts during the breakaway and shootout either. Sure hope he's got more up his sleeve than that.

In general, I guess that in Vanek I'm pretty much expecting Bobby Ryan. That's who I thought he was pretty much gonna be right off the bat. I'm not seeing it. At that paycheck and that trade cost, that's the effort and visibility I was thinking we were getting...

I do expect the situation to develop positively though as he gets used to things and the team gets used to him. But how much more positively?

We'll find out one way or another.

Valid points, CHAPIN. Perhaps, Snow will make the tough decision to see if he is worth keeping at the trade deadline. I KNOW you and I feel similarly about keeping assets that the team does not intend to keep after the season. If they don't think that Vanek is a keeper, they NEED to jettison him for what they can get.
 

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Vanek - Tavares - Bailey

Grabner - Nielsen - Okposo

PMB - Cizikas - Clutterbuck

CMac - Nelson/Regin - Martin

I like it. Minor changes. Put Nelson as the full time 3rd line center, bench Regin. And on a technicality swap Martin and Cmac. Then ride it at least ten games.
 

Chapin Landvogt

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Valid points, CHAPIN. Perhaps, Snow will make the tough decision to see if he is worth keeping at the trade deadline. I KNOW you and I feel similarly about keeping assets that the team does not intend to keep after the season. If they don't think that Vanek is a keeper, they NEED to jettison him for what they can get.

It'll be interesting to see how it all develops. Hopefully, he and JT find a rhthym together and go on a rampage over the second half of the season and into the playoffs. Don't think resigning him would be all that difficult, but I do fear the scenario in which he does alright, but doesn't live up to expectations, ultimately being part of an Islander team that squeeks into the playoffs and loses in the first round.

What then?
 

Felix Unger

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Winning a game in a shootout when you dominate throughout is what crappy goaltending will get you.
 

RMimagery

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got lucky tonight. they should have beat themselves this game

Really? Outshooting a team 53-27, basically doubling their shots and creating a ton more chances in their building, having a phantom goal scored against us, coming back from 2 goal leads - twice...

Yeah, you make sense.

Between your words of wisdom above and your very intelligent thought tonight in the Vanek/MM trade thread that you'd rather trade Tavares and Nabokov for a washer/dryer - a broken one i think, over trading MOULSON NO MATTER WHO COMES BACK!

and wouldn't trade Moulson for Doughty, Brown and Quick combined.

Why do you even watch the games? I've deleted three different sentences that sat here because they were just too harsh.
 

PK Cronin

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I saw the condensed version of the game on GCL, but it looked like the team really dominated most of the play.

My takeaways from just the abridged version of the game:

Nabby is still awful. Lehner did a fantastic job of controlling rebounds and locating loose pucks, at least int he beginning of the game, than Nabby has done all season. He can just never seem to cover the puck. I didn't get a good look at that reviewed goal, but it seemed real iffy (But I guess since it was called on the ice it had to stand?).

Vanek looked pretty good from the clips. He's really a lot stronger on the puck than Moulson is and he gives that line something Moulson couldn't in his ability to shoot from farther out. He found a hole or two up near the top of the circles which is something we've missed. Also made a few nice passes. I was pleased with his game.

Bailey looked real good out there, minus not having a point in the game.

Carkner is still really really slow and really really bad.

I also liked what I saw from Okposo, which is a rarity for me (as most of you know by now).
 

ichabod13

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another stellar game by nabakov.
id rather have a one legged blind man standing in front of that net than him.

you have to love an 870 save percentage........

i say start nabakov tomorrow in boston. let them light his ass up. then pull him ( which capuano doesnt do ) and tell him "you better pick your game up or ill waive your ass"......

threats do work.
 

PK Cronin

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another stellar game by nabakov.
id rather have a one legged blind man standing in front of that net than him.

you have to love an 870 save percentage........

i say start nabakov tomorrow in boston. let them light his ass up. then pull him ( which capuano doesnt do ) and tell him "you better pick your game up or ill waive your ass"......

threats do work.

He'd be a solid backup, and is great for the locker room. I want him to stay if possible, but not as the #1.
 

ichabod13

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He'd be a solid backup

i dont agree with that at all. point out one goal tonight that you or i couldnt have stopped.
when you give up 4 very saveable goals and your team needs to win in a ( moronic part of the game ) shoot-out......that should pretty much tell you that you suck. just retire and enjoy your millions........just go the **** away. youre not needed on long island any more.

nabakov is killing this ****ing team. they know that they have to score at least 4 times to win. that puts pressure on them. so when they try to play over their heads, and get burned, nabakov is not there to bail them out.

and people ***** about carkner being useless.......

stare straight into the net and youll see the most useless guy on the ice.
 

MattMartin

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i dont agree with that at all. point out one goal tonight that you or i couldnt have stopped.
when you give up 4 very saveable goals and your team needs to win in a ( moronic part of the game ) shoot-out......that should pretty much tell you that you suck. just retire and enjoy your millions........just go the **** away. youre not needed on long island any more.

nabakov is killing this ****ing team. they know that they have to score at least 4 times to win. that puts pressure on them. so when they try to play over their heads, and get burned, nabakov is not there to bail them out.

and people ***** about carkner being useless.......

stare straight into the net and youll see the most useless guy on the ice.

Call up the Islanders and see if you can get a tryout.

What has our back up's done the last 71 games or so? I think 1-9 and that win was against Buffalo last season in game 47/48 when it didn't matter.

Now I'm not saying Nabby is great or not at fault BUT some of this falls on our porous D as well.
 

IslesNorway

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Isles really need to sort their goaltending out. This game should've been done and dusted by the mid second yet still Nabby almost single-handedly keeps the Senators in it.
 

bigd

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Martinek ?? He's been the most solid D man since he got signed. :huh:
In 4 games he's had 2 assists and is a +2..this during when the team was not playing well.
Strait in 9 games had 1 assist and a -3..this when team was playing better.

Stats are not everything but they are an indication..the rest you can see when strait make errors and radek does not.

I don't see why you want Strait over Martinek.

Macdonald-Hamonic
Hickey-Visnovsky
Martinek-Donovan

Carkner/Strait
Did you actually watch Martinek last night? Radek didn't make any mistakes? LOL! Forget the +-. He was beyond bad.
 

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And another thing; considering what he costs AND what we paid to get him, I was not expecting him to come in here and be out of breath after 20-30 seconds almost every shift. He looks really out of shape or like someone who's dealing with a lingering injury of some sort. I think it's a bit of a cop-out to say that has more to do with Buffalo's system than his actual physical fitness. He just kind of wanders around slowly and carefully and then looks to get himself into a hole somewhere around the net, but the work is pretty much left up to everyone else. I didn't necessarily think he would be someone whose impact was only going to be felt from in tight around the net or through the odd, clever play. I mean common', we already had that in Moulson.

I have watched Vanek a lot (you know that nationalism ;) ) and his line usually looks for him more in the corners and at the blue line than the isles do. I think Vanek is putting in some extra effort to get included in the play, as he is not receiving pucks in his usual spots. This is not to say that he is well conditioned, that was always one of his problems (leading to very low TOI for a first line forward who plays a lot on the pp). However I think it will get better when the line gels better further into the season.
 

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