Post-Game Talk: #1 - 01/14/21 | islanders @ RANGERS

[Fitzy]

No question that Trotz has that team defending well, taking up lanes, and covering up seams, which makes life miserable on outlets. And it throws a lot of things off, including timing, hence we saw turnovers galore at the offensive blue line and in the neutral zone, which feeds their transition and very opportunistic style of game. Just look at the trouble Fox dealt with. He had difficulty making outlet passes and was carrying the puck up ice a lot more than usual. He usually makes the very quick out pass. On one occasion, Barzal picked his pocket and had a breakaway that was saved by Shesty. Now if that was JJ who got pickpocketed, this board would have been on fire.

Exactly.

Im not going to draw huge inferences about coaching yet, but there’s no question that this team can’t play like the did yesterday and win.

Safer passes, more patience in the breakout, and more defensive accountability from forwards are all desperately needed.

It’s funny because to look at the roster with so many puck moving blue liners and speedy forwards you would think this team could play a stretch pass game, but it doesn’t look like it so far

 

[bl02]

But anybody can do that.

Grit is not an attribute to be acquired. It's something that's contagious across a unit when they buy into a system.

Take the Islanders, for example. They have lots of guys who came up skill players who now play Islanders hockey. Josh Bailey used to get made fun of for being soft and he wears a letter. First round pick Kieffer Bellows led the game in hits.

I think it's a little bit of both. Definitely contagious but I don't really see enough guys who can or want to do that on this team. The ones like Howden (I guess) and Lemieux probably don't have the skill to be top 6.
I mean not trying to hate on Kreider but does he really do it anymore? I know he still is a net front presence.
I think Lafreniere can certainly be that guy who is gritty with super skill.

 

[bl02]

In Philadelphia, it's worth 50 bucks.

That was the great Bo Diddley. Great movie Trading places>>>Coming to America

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wouldn't hate it. Sullivan won two Cups just letting elite talent up front do its thing.

Jake "who the f***" Guentzel magically became Brett Hull under him.

Player development under him has been fantastic.He did an excellent job developing our D when he was here too.

Hes the guy I wish we had 2 years ago.

 

[will1066]

Exactly.

Im not going to draw huge inferences about coaching yet, but there’s no question that this team can’t play like the did yesterday and win.

Safer passes, more patience in the breakout, and more defensive accountability from forwards are all desperately needed.

It’s funny because to look at the roster with so many puck moving blue liners and speedy forwards you would think this team could play a stretch pass game, but it doesn’t look like it so far

Yeah. Ironically, the play where Fox got pickpocketed coming up ice, he was too patient in the breakout and holding onto the puck and looking to make a good pass when maybe lifting the puck up in the air and into the zone was the right move. Against a team like that, it's hockey by attrition. We hate to play that style because we have the skill and talent, but it's a matchup issue with the Isles.

 

[Boris Zubov]

And no, I'm not saying I want us to play Trotz hockey but we need to play somebody's hockey.

Gallant hockey is f***ing lit, just throwing it out there.

I agree, but it's too bad the Rangers aren't further along. I think Gallant is better suited for a team that's a bit more mature & ready to win. Not sure player development is his strong suit.

 

[Synergy27]

Yeah. Ironically, the play where Fox got pickpocketed coming up ice, he was too patient in the breakout and holding onto the puck and looking to make a good pass when maybe lifting the puck up in the air and into the zone was the right move. Against a team like that, it's hockey by attrition. We hate to play that style because we have the skill and talent, but it's a matchup issue with the Isles.

I’ve been harping on this for months, but this Isles team is eerily similar to the Lemaire Devils. Effective, boring, soul crushing hockey.

 

[will1066]

But anybody can do that.

Grit is not an attribute to be acquired. It's something that's contagious across a unit when they buy into a system.

Take the Islanders, for example. They have lots of guys who came up skill players who now play Islanders hockey. Josh Bailey used to get made fun of for being soft and he wears a letter. First round pick Kieffer Bellows led the game in hits.

We need our skill players to evolve a grittier style to play teams like the Isles. Especially since we play them 7 more times this season.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If Quinn loves his grinders and guys like Howden great. You know what then sell the farm and go get PLD (there i said it lol) someone who can play that game who actually has skill.

I wouldn't want to make any personnel decisions that could mortgage the future based on what a mediocre coach that might not be here past this year wants.

 

[Machinehead]

I agree, but it's too bad the Rangers aren't further along. I think Gallant is better suited for a team that's a bit more mature & ready to win. Not sure player development is his strong suit.

That's fair.

 

[Machinehead]

We need our skill players to evolve a grittier style to play teams like the Isles. Especially since we play them 7 more times this season.

I agree but that will happen if you put clear goals in front them.

The system isn't there.

 

[bl02]

I wouldn't want to make any personnel decisions that could mortgage the future based on what a mediocre coach that might not be here past this year wants.

Good point and Fair enough. Patience I guess.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

BTW, we were 3-1 against them last year and scored a bunch of goals. I'm as pissed as everyone but reading this thread you'd think we haven't beaten them since Trotz became their coach.

 

[bl02]

I agree but that will happen if you put clear goals in front them.

The system isn't there.

The system is as blurry as the June Gloom in SoCal. I have no idea what I was watching last night.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I have no issues with Tony being benched cause frankly he’s an ass that needs to keep his emotions in check

if it was his first time taking stupid penalties like that, it wouldn’t be an issue

He already was benched last night. Now Quinn is not only punishing ADA but he's punishing the rest of the team by putting out a drastically inferior lineup.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I lost all of my interest in this season because of Quinn. All football season, this was the silver lining. One man ruined it all.

 

[Larrybiv]

They mostly looked competent because Panarin was a Hart finalist and Zibanejad went Super Saiyan 3.

Which players that we've drafted have taken significant steps since the letter?

McD & Shattenkirk. Stepped right into the cup.

 

[Machinehead]

The system is as blurry as the June Gloom in SoCal. I have no idea what I was watching last night.

Like I said, it's AV without shooting 49%

 

[Fitzy]

I lost all of my interest in this season because of Quinn. All football season, this was the silver lining. One man ruined it all.

Are you joking?

 

[Machinehead]

McD & Shattenkirk. Stepped right into the cup.

Right because the Lightning make literally everything they touch better. That's where I wanna be.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If David Quinn runs with that lineup and those units tomorrow, they deserve to lose 8-0 and he should lose his job.

 

[Larrybiv]

Yeah, I’m hoping that we can ultimately chalk this one up to rustiness but man, that looked like an epic coaching failure in top of a few unready/unfit players in the lineup.

JMFJ needs to go. I’m fine with K’s growing pains. Kakko needs to start showing much more assertiveness.

Thats a good word for it, was thinking "pissed off" is another. You know, play with a chip on his shoulder. Should hang with Boochie a little. Some players play better when ANGRY.

 

[Larrybiv]

Right because the Lightning make literally everything they touch better. That's where I wanna be.

Supposing you mean thats where you want the Rangers to be.
Somewhat similar to the NFL Patriots. Every player that goes there succeeds and gets better. Why? Because they want to be there and under good coaching. Man, that was difficult to admit/say. I hate that team.

 

[Salsa Shark]

Spring?

LMAO yea haha whenever the heck that play-in round was

 

[bl02]

Like I said, it's AV without shooting 49%

I wouldn’t put Quinn or AV/torts in the same sentence. Those are real HOF coaches. There is no comparison.