GDT: “Whatever It Takes” (McDavid Injury Documentary) • Friday January 24 • After the Skills Comp • SNET

[Ritchie Valens]

I am over Giordano...Turtlechuk not so much.

I am really curious to know how McDavid made the decision to rehab instead of doing the surgery.
Massively tough decision.
It really speaks to his courage, determination and self belief and also speaks volumes about the body's ability to heal itself.

You have to wonder what effect this may have on how many pro athletes from this point forward (hockey and outside of hockey) opt for rehab over surgery. I think many will look at how he recovered going the non-surgical route and we could see a drop in reconstructive surgeries unless it is absolutely necessary.

 

[CookiesAndMilk]

So even after the fact, he would 'almost' rather let him go and not injure him. In other words, he would do it again, even knowing he caused the injury. Nice.

Let's be honest here. Gio could say whatever he wants. We, as fans of the Oilers and especially McDavid, would probably never fully accept it, because he did something so stupid that could have ended up much worse. I think it's funny though, how you are flexing his comments on the incident.

He apologized and I think he is deeply sorry for what happened. Let's leave it like that.

 

[guymez]

You have to wonder what effect this may have on how many pro athletes from this point forward (hockey and outside of hockey) opt for rehab over surgery. I think many will look at how he recovered going the non-surgical route and we could see a drop in reconstructive surgeries unless it is absolutely necessary.

I agree completely.
McDavid just helped to legitimize an alternative that many athletes may have been too scared to try.

We are not only incredibly lucky to have him playing this season but oh so incredibly lucky to have him on this team.
He really is a remarkable player and person.

 

[bellagiobob]

Let's be honest here. Gio could say whatever he wants. We, as fans of the Oilers and especially McDavid, would probably never fully accept it, because he did something so stupid that could have ended up much worse. I think it's funny though, how you are flexing his comments on the incident.

He apologized and I think he is deeply sorry for what happened. Let's leave it like that.

Of course I’m somewhat biased, as I’m an Oilers fan. But I’ve seen enough of these “accidental hits” and apologies from this player to see a bit of a pattern. Do I think he wanted injure Connor? No. But he’s not a clean player either. Sneaky dirty. But somehow has the rep as a saint. And he could have left out the word ‘almost’ and it would have sounded a bit more sincere. But I’ll agree I’m probably focusing a bit too much on the wording to suit my narrative. Just think it was a cheap play, and Gio faced no repercussions from our team for the hit, so that along with Connor’s potentially career altering injury, just pi**es me off.

 

[Cloned]

I agree completely.
McDavid just helped to legitimize an alternative that many athletes may have been too scared to try.

We are not only incredibly lucky to have him playing this season but oh so incredibly lucky to have him on this team.
He really is a remarkable player and person.

The PCL was the best ligament to tear for a hockey player. You can get by on a 70% PCL as a hockey player. If it was the ACL or MCL this wouldn’t likely be possible.

 

[McFlyingV]

The PCL was the best ligament to tear for a hockey player. You can get by on a 70% PCL as a hockey player. If it was the ACL or MCL this wouldn’t likely be possible.

MCL can repair without surgery with bracing and is definitely a method already used quite a bit. ACL, like the PCL is much more unlikely to repair on its own without surgical intervention. It definitely was the best of the 4 mainly talked about ligaments (there's more than 4 ligaments in the knee) for him to injure though in terms of its importance on his performance. They do however, already have good protocols out there for MCL and ACL surgery and rehab, so it's pretty cool to see one for the PCL that seems to have worked out fantastically.

 

[Cloned]

MCL can repair without surgery with bracing and is definitely a method already used quite a bit. ACL, like the PCL is much more unlikely to repair on its own without surgical intervention. It definitely was the best of the 4 mainly talked about ligaments (there's more than 4 ligaments in the knee) for him to injure though in terms of its importance on his performance. They do however, already have good protocols out there for MCL and ACL surgery and rehab, so it's pretty cool to see one for the PCL that seems to have worked out fantastically.

I meant in the sense that a not fully 100% MCL would affect his ability as a hockey player more than a not fully 100% PCL.

It’s highly unlikely his PCL is 100% right now, but you don’t really notice it whereas if it was one of the other ligaments he’d probably have to wear a brace.

 

[McFlyingV]

I meant in the sense that a not fully 100% MCL would affect his ability as a hockey player more than a not fully 100% PCL.

Absolutely, and I agree. The MCL is so so important in cutting and directional changes.

 

[Cloned]

Absolutely, and I agree. The MCL is so so important in cutting and directional changes.

Yup. And there is no way his PCL is at 100% right now. But you don’t notice it because it’s the PCL, it simply doesn’t affect his ability as a hockey player all that much.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I've had hundreds of needles in my neck for ligaments via prolotherapy. Not mainstream, but ligaments can be coaxed to heal in this manner.

Those ligaments likely have some blood flow. PCL does not

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I don't understand how he could've had a fully torn PCL, not have surgery, and somehow have a healed ligament. Something doesn't add up.

 

[frag2]

Let's be honest here. Gio could say whatever he wants. We, as fans of the Oilers and especially McDavid, would probably never fully accept it, because he did something so stupid that could have ended up much worse. I think it's funny though, how you are flexing his comments on the incident.

He apologized and I think he is deeply sorry for what happened. Let's leave it like that.

But hes not really though because he still has a history of injuring people with reckless plays. It his style.

 

[McSuper]

Did the guy whom wanted McDavid to have surgery work for the Oilers ? Seem the Oilers doctor are often wrong on their diagnosis .

It is the Earth yellow sun that heals him . Here proof .




Someone that is good with photo shop needs to put the Oilers logo over the superman logo

 

[CookiesAndMilk]

But hes not really though because he still has a history of injuring people with reckless plays. It his style.

He can be truly sorry and play recklessly. One doesn't exlude the other. I refuse to believe that his plan was to smash McDavid into that goalpost.

He deserves some nutkicks for it, because it was so idiotic.

 

[ToeMcDrag83]

Must watch TV for me. What an absolute warrior.
Masterson consideration?

 

[duul]

PHWA announces 2019-20 Midseason Award winners

Leading the way in Hart voting midseason.

 

[SK13]

Did the guy whom wanted McDavid to have surgery work for the Oilers ? Seem the Oilers doctor are often wrong on their diagnosis .

No, the Oilers do not employ specialists as team doctors. No sports team does.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

No, the Oilers do not employ specialists as team doctors. No sports team does.

They do have the same surgeons that operate on players, though. They'd get the same surgeons for opinions even if they aren't employees of the Oilers.

 

[SK13]

They do have the same surgeons that operate on players, though. They'd get the same surgeons for opinions even if they aren't employees of the Oilers.

Yes, but those guys aren't scmucks. They make millions in their practices and many sports leagues/teams use the same well-known and highly regarded specialists because of their reputations.

People stretching themselves into pretzels to criticize the medical advice Oilers are given, particularly in the context of Connor McDavid, are being absurd.

 

[alphahelix]

What I don’t understand is how the strongest ligament could be severed without the other ligaments also sustaining notable injury.

 

[duul]

What I don’t understand is how the strongest ligament could be severed without the other ligaments also sustaining notable injury.

Depends on which way the force is impacting your knee. Usually if it's from inwards to outwards, it's your MCL (most common sports injury). If it's outwards to inwards, it's your ACL. If it's frontwards to backwards, it's your PCL. If it's backwards to frontwards...I think you'll be fine because that's the way your knee bends to begin with, lol.

 

[Aceboogie]

I am no Doctor, so hard to criticize or question the actual specialists. But so help me god if in 5 years if McDavid is having significant knee injuries and it comes out that playing on this torn PCL was a significant risk with long term damages but the team allowed McDavid to take the risk. It wont be the first time, nor the last, where pro teams have bungled an injury and subsequent rehab and caused major long term damage.

For me, if there was even a slight chance of long term damage from not getting surgery, I would have had him sit out the 10 months and get the surgery

But again, Ill take the doctors word

 

[Gordy Elbows]

This is an incredible story...we had no idea what was behind the injury and recovery. Just shows me what an amazing young man he is and how determined he is to succeed.
Thanks to the posters here that helped explain the situation...that made a big difference.
Looking ahead I think the Oilers need to institute a zero tolerance policy with regard to hits / checks on McDavid and vulnerable players. Now.
The Gio incident shows that a player can get away with a reckless play against McDavid - in terms of officiating and team response. No longer. Our mantra must consistently be, "you try that, you pay". I'm not advocating goon hockey but sending a clear and firm message that the Oilers will respond every time. You want a club house culture? This goes a long, long way to making that happen.

 

[guymez]

Yup. And there is no way his PCL is at 100% right now. But you don’t notice it because it’s the PCL, it simply doesn’t affect his ability as a hockey player all that much.

You dont know this to be true.

 

[ElysiumAB]

If anyone could PM me a Youtube or online link after it airs, I'd really appreciate it. I don't think it'll be on regular tv in the states.