LeBrun: “I think there are guys that won’t be qualified that may shock you”

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

How f***ing hilarious would it be if Stevie traded AA for two 2nd rounders, only saw him play 13 games in Edmonton, and then signed him back.

@ what $/term though? I'd rather just let the kids play, we have an abundance of bottom 6 W's.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

@ what $/term though? I'd rather just let the kids play, we have an abundance of bottom 6 W's.

Whatever's low enough to sell him again at the TDL for more picks.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Isnt it super dumbass from EDM perspective not to qualify AA? I mean try to at least obtain assets for him, no?? He still has value doesn't he...?

His qualifying offer would be one year $3 million, And maybe perhaps Holland as anyone just doesn't want to offer him that much sense he's tight up against the cap.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Here's the problem. If Tippett doesn't really see a player there and is going to use him in the bottom six or as a healthy scratch does it make sense to invest 3mil in the guy? Or do you cut your losses?

It sucks and at the time of the deal we thought we'd see an increase in the salary cap which should've made it quite easy for us to re-sign him.

I could see them talking to Buffalo about Montour though. Try a different piece in another area of need.

Ideally I'd like to give him another shot, but the tight cap may dictate otherwise.

Athanasiou provides absolutely nothing the Sabres have any need for.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How f***ing hilarious would it be if Stevie traded AA for two 2nd rounders, only saw him play 13 games in Edmonton, and then signed him back.

That would be hysterical if Yzerman pulled that off.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Whatever's low enough to sell him again at the TDL for more picks.

As funny as that is, we don't wanna be the NHL's used car lot either. I'd consider 1yr @ $2.5 or less...maybe.

I wanna see what Brome can do 1st.

It's really just a matter of overrowding though... Ras, Svech, Smith, possibly Hirose, etc. + TDL bait: (LGD, Helm, Flip)

 

[Ola]

Barzal, Mathew		NYI	23	C	Right		85	24	50	74	10	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Burakovsky, André		COL	25	LW, RW	Left		73	27	35	62	18	-	-	-	-		$3,250,000
Strome, Ryan		NYR	27	C, RW	Right		73	18	43	61	18	-	-	-	-		$3,100,000
Dubois, Pierre-Luc		CBJ	22	C, LW	Left		80	22	37	59	1	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Deangelo, Anthony		NYR	24	RD	Right		71	15	39	54	6	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Kubalik, Dominik		CHI	25	LW	Left		77	34	20	54	0	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Reinhart, Sam		BUF	24	RW, C	Right		69	22	28	50	-15	-	-	-	-		$3,650,000
Cirelli, Anthony		TBL	23	C	Left		82	18	31	49	27	-	-	-	-		$717,500
Bertuzzi, Tyler		DET	25	LW, RW	Left		71	21	27	48	-23	-	-	-	-		$1,400,000
Domi, Max		MTL	25	C, LW	Left		81	17	30	47	-5	-	-	-	-		$3,150,000
Gurianov, Denis		DAL	23	LW	Left		82	28	16	44	6	-	-	-	-		$894,166
Brown, Connor		OTT	26	LW, RW	Right		71	16	27	43	-6	-	-	-	-		$2,100,000
Hintz, Roope		DAL	23	C, LW	Left		78	21	22	43	2	-	-	-	-		$811,667
Pulock, Ryan		NYI	25	RD	Right		85	11	32	43	9	-	-	-	-		$2,000,000
Olofsson, Victor		BUF	25	LW, RW	Left		54	20	22	42	-1	-	-	-	-		$767,500
Strome, Dylan		CHI	23	C	Left		67	14	27	41	-2	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Duclair, Anthony		OTT	25	LW, RW	Left		66	23	17	40	-5	-	-	-	-		$1,650,000
DeBrusk, Jake		BOS	23	LW	Left		78	23	16	39	-4	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Sergachev, Mikhail		TBL	22	LD	Left		84	11	28	39	20	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Mantha, Anthony		DET	25	RW, LW	Left		43	16	22	38	-7	-	-	-	-		$3,300,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

These are the 20 "bigger name" RFAs. Which of these won't be getting QO?

Reinhardt will of course get his QO, but will Buf pick up his arbitration award? I wouldn’t...

 

[Canada4Gold]

Lmao. Zero percent chance Brown isnt QO'd, and pretty damn close to zero for Duclair. Pretty bad take.

Obviously, maybe you missed half of the post? I only had to think about it for a second on either guy because it wouldn't shock me if Melnyk went all "There were no fans at the end of last year, I can only afford a 50 million dollar payroll"

 

[qqaz]

Stetcher, Shore, Rodrigues, Benning, Caggiula. Those guys might not get a QO. Are there any shockers there?

I don't think any bigger names than that will be left to hit UFA.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

As funny as that is, we don't wanna be the NHL's used car lot either. I'd consider 1yr @ $2.5 or less...maybe.

I wanna see what Brome can do 1st.

It's really just a matter of overrowding though... Ras, Svech, Smith, possibly Hirose, etc. + TDL bait: (LGD, Helm, Flip)

Let's be completely honest, here. One or both of Nielsen and Abdelkader need to be buried. Svech is a longshot to make it in the NHL at this point, and probably doesn't start the season in the NHL if the AHL has a season. Hirose is a dud. Perlini and Timashov are both bums who shouldn't be qualified.

I'm all for Yzerman setting up shop for the used car lot if it means Detroit gets more picks.

 

[Ola]

Barzal, Mathew		NYI	23	C	Right		85	24	50	74	10	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Burakovsky, André		COL	25	LW, RW	Left		73	27	35	62	18	-	-	-	-		$3,250,000
Strome, Ryan		NYR	27	C, RW	Right		73	18	43	61	18	-	-	-	-		$3,100,000
Dubois, Pierre-Luc		CBJ	22	C, LW	Left		80	22	37	59	1	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Deangelo, Anthony		NYR	24	RD	Right		71	15	39	54	6	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Kubalik, Dominik		CHI	25	LW	Left		77	34	20	54	0	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Reinhart, Sam		BUF	24	RW, C	Right		69	22	28	50	-15	-	-	-	-		$3,650,000
Cirelli, Anthony		TBL	23	C	Left		82	18	31	49	27	-	-	-	-		$717,500
Bertuzzi, Tyler		DET	25	LW, RW	Left		71	21	27	48	-23	-	-	-	-		$1,400,000
Domi, Max		MTL	25	C, LW	Left		81	17	30	47	-5	-	-	-	-		$3,150,000
Gurianov, Denis		DAL	23	LW	Left		82	28	16	44	6	-	-	-	-		$894,166
Brown, Connor		OTT	26	LW, RW	Right		71	16	27	43	-6	-	-	-	-		$2,100,000
Hintz, Roope		DAL	23	C, LW	Left		78	21	22	43	2	-	-	-	-		$811,667
Pulock, Ryan		NYI	25	RD	Right		85	11	32	43	9	-	-	-	-		$2,000,000
Olofsson, Victor		BUF	25	LW, RW	Left		54	20	22	42	-1	-	-	-	-		$767,500
Strome, Dylan		CHI	23	C	Left		67	14	27	41	-2	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Duclair, Anthony		OTT	25	LW, RW	Left		66	23	17	40	-5	-	-	-	-		$1,650,000
DeBrusk, Jake		BOS	23	LW	Left		78	23	16	39	-4	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Sergachev, Mikhail		TBL	22	LD	Left		84	11	28	39	20	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Mantha, Anthony		DET	25	RW, LW	Left		43	16	22	38	-7	-	-	-	-		$3,300,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

These are the 20 "bigger name" RFAs. Which of these won't be getting QO?

Lol can’t be anyone of those, I would be SHOCKED if anyone or those wasn’t qualified. But eh, wait, what was he said again?

This thread becomes a little meta.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Montour, Rodrigues, Hagg, Goldobin, Ho-Sang, Senyshyn and Bracco are some names I can see not being qualified.

 

[tenken00]

Obviously, maybe you missed half of the post? I only had to think about it for a second on either guy because it wouldn't shock me if Melnyk went all "There were no fans at the end of last year, I can only afford a 50 million dollar payroll"

I was trying to write in my post above is that there are reports, including now from LeBrun, that NHL teams are going to be imposing an internal salary cap on themselves this year, even perennial playoff contenders. There could be a lot more than just Melnyk that can only afford a $50 million dollar payroll. For this year at least.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

^^^ I doubt any of those guys isn't qualified. I'm thinking guys like Montour, Tierney, Athanasiou, Evan Rodrigues, Jankowski are potentially not getting qualified.

The Sabres are not going to qualify Montour for $3.5 M. LOL. Why on earth wouldn't they?

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Let's be completely honest, here. One or both of Nielsen and Abdelkader need to be buried. Svech is a longshot to make it in the NHL at this point, and probably doesn't start the season in the NHL if the AHL has a season. Hirose is a dud. Perlini and Timashov are both bums who shouldn't be qualified.

I'm all for Yzerman setting up shop for the used car lot if it means Detroit gets more picks.

Timashov isn't a bum though, he gets little TOI however.

Svech in AHL if there is one, but we resigned him on a 1yr "last chance to prove it after 2 injuries " type contract, so he still has a shot.

Hirose may not be a fit for our team, just needs to add strength & improve skating a bit & another 10lbs+ of muscle wouldn't hurt either.

Perlini is the dud.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

With Pittsburgh supposedly having an internal cap, what about names like McCann and Simon? Both can probably go to arbitration and get decent raises that the team might not be able to afford

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Timashov isn't a bum though, he gets little TOI however.

Svech in AHL if there is one, but we resigned him on a 1yr "last chance to prove it after 2 injuries " type contract, so he still has a shot.

Hirose may not be a fit for our team, just needs to add strength & improve skating a bit & another 10lbs+ of muscle wouldn't hurt either.

Perlini is the dud.

Timashov is pretty dime a dozen, and I want to see Svech succeed, I just think he's had way too many obstacles f*** him up.

Those criticisms of Hirose would be acceptable if he was 19, but he's 24 lol.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I was trying to write in my post above is that there are reports, including now from LeBrun, that NHL teams are going to be imposing an internal salary cap on themselves this year, even perennial playoff contenders. There could be a lot more than just Melnyk that can only afford a $50 million dollar payroll. For this year at least.

A lot of teams are cutting salary. But I think 70-75 is more realistic for most teams. I could see Ottawa being in the 60's potentially. Getting down to 50 would take some doing as that's below the cap floor so you'd need to take on some contracts that have bonuses already paid.

 

[BKarchitect]

Agreed with most I think AA and Montour are likely candidates that are “bigger names”. AA is not a very good hockey player though so I’m not sure why it should be all that shocking. It’s already a bad value trade for Edmonton...the last thing they should do is qualify him just to justify the trade if he clearly doesn’t fit into their plans moving forward.

 

[tenken00]

A lot of teams are cutting salary. But I think 70-75 is more realistic for most teams. I could see Ottawa being in the 60's potentially. Getting down to 50 would take some doing as that's below the cap floor so you'd need to take on some contracts that have bonuses already paid.

Yeah, I know, I only used $50 because that's what you initially wrote haha.

But it seems like a lot of these posters in this thread just look at NHL cap space and think "oh QOs to this guy are fine", when in reality I can see someone shocking drop. Don't know who because we don't know the internal situations of each team, but yeah. $70 million is a far cry from $81.5 million.

 

[Evergreen]

The Sabres are not going to qualify Montour for $3.5 M. LOL. Why on earth wouldn't they?

It's been speculated the Sabres will not qualify him: Could the Sabres not qualify Brandon Montour?

Friedman and Jeff Marek were discussing how some restricted free agents may not receive qualifying offers and Friedman says:
“you know who I heard is going to be that guy too maybe? Brandon Montour in Buffalo.” Marek quickly replied with: “I heard that.”

The tight offseason window may be playing a factor in all of this along with the flat cap. The Sabres could fear his arbitration award and the change in the arbitration rule this year makes things interesting too. If a team decides to walk away from an arbitration award on a player they don’t automatically become unrestricted free agents. The player now has the option to take the offer that the club made in arbitration.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

All of them will get a Q.O, but I can see some walk a-ways if some arbitration numbers get too big this year.

Usually players not getting QOs are crappy AHL players on ECLs or 4th liners they don't want.

Along with Brandon Montour perhaps not getting a QO, I can also see Athanansiou (Edmonton), maybe Stetcher (Vancouver), top 4D and legit top 9 forwards will still get their QOs.

Now arbitration....that puts a different spin on things.

 

[Sota Popinski]

All of them will be getting QO. He propably means that someone other than waiver fodder won't get QO. I would guess Athanasiou.

I think he's referring to the Shockmaster.

 

[Sota Popinski]

But neither would be ultimately shocking. LeBrun also mentioned that teams are imposing their own internal salary cap on themselves, below the NHL salary cap. I think some teams probably are in dire straights financially, critical dire straights even, due to no attendance revenue. Things might be less about winning a Cup and more about surviving for next year.

Critical dire straights? Is that like double-secret probation?

These are people who have hundreds of millions of dollars. You pretending that some of these teams would fold, rather than just be sold to another super wealthy person, is one of the most preposterous statements I have read on here (trade proposals excluded).

 

[MCB]

I can't see Montour not being qualified for the simple reason of not looking stupid for giving up a first + just to not qualify him.