LeBrun: “I think there are guys that won’t be qualified that may shock you”

[TheNewEra]

Tanev, Brodie, Vatanen, Buff, etc. (Personally I would rather have Hamonic, Gudas, Dillon, Demelo, Braun, Shattenkirk, Borowiecki and Edmundson, but most of those would depend on team needs - I wouldn't for instance take Barrie for league min).

The reality is that Montour is fairly one-dimensional, so his value on the market would depend on what teams are looking for what he brings. Would he get more than his 3.525M QO? I have my doubts.

-tanev is good when healthy thats the key
-brodie and vatanen are meh at best you could put them on par with montour
-buff hasnt played in a long time, if healthy then yes definitely put buff over him easily
-edmundson, boro, shattenkirk and maybe gudas are bottom pairing guys, potentially demelo as well but he just fits as a defensive partner in the top 4 as well
-hamonic, dillon and braun are definitely up there in the same range as montour but then you gotta factor in age

maybe it was a bit of a stretch of locking montour into the top 5 but he would definitely be above a lot of dmen. Hell I would trade a 2nd for him to sign him to avoid open market competition

 

[MCB]

Didn’t the Sabres trade a 1st for Montour a bit ago? I mean I know he’s been stuck in Buffalo and they’re horrible, but has he been that bad individually?

2019 1st and Guhle for Montour

 

[ginner classic]

Stecher and Virtanen are possibles from Vancouver. Not that I agree with that, but it is Jim Benning. Montour and AA are obvious candidates, regardless of acquisition cost. If the Blues are serious about signing Pietrangelo, I could see them walking from Barbashev and Sanford.

Caggiula, Mikheyev, Kahun...some other 'names' where the team may not be interested in the arbitration rights.

 

[ginner classic]

Yeah I really can't see it, flat cap or not, Montour is worth the 3.5M investment. Someone would give up an asset for him if they really do want to cut ties.

Arbitration rights.

 

[harrisb]

A lot of teams are cutting salary. But I think 70-75 is more realistic for most teams. I could see Ottawa being in the 60's potentially. Getting down to 50 would take some doing as that's below the cap floor so you'd need to take on some contracts that have bonuses already paid.

At one point this year I think the team iced was in the mid to high 30’s lol. Callahan, Gaborik, MacArthur, Ryan, Zaitsev, Hainsey, etc all hitting the cap but on IR

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Seravalli: At least 17 NHL teams have reduced pay amid COVID-19 crunch - TSN.ca

Seravalli has the Sabres looking at an internal cap. That would explain the whispers of Montour not being qualified.

 

[Leafs87]

Stecher and Virtanen are possibles from Vancouver. Not that I agree with that, but it is Jim Benning. Montour and AA are obvious candidates, regardless of acquisition cost. If the Blues are serious about signing Pietrangelo, I could see them walking from Barbashev and Sanford.

Caggiula, Mikheyev, Kahun...some other 'names' where the team may not be interested in the arbitration rights.

Mikheyevs QO is league Min...... Dubas also said he and Dermott are going to get signed

 

[treple13]

I can see Jankowski not getting a QO from Calgary.

That's not shocking though. I'd be shocked if he IS qualified

 

[Sam Pollock]

That's not shocking though. I'd be shocked if he IS qualified

It's shocking in the sense of what Calgary has invested into him and that some team will will come in and sign him for no more than a $1 million per season and still being useful.

 

[treple13]

It's shocking in the sense of what Calgary has invested into him and that some team will will come in and sign him for no more than a $1 million per season and still being useful.

He wasn't very useful this year. If we could get him back at that price, I'd think about it, but we can't

 

[Roof Daddy]

For the Oil and AA, it seems Holland is going to try and make an offer below the QO (rumour has it 2.25) and hope that he and his agent look at the situation and numbers he put up this previous year and proceed sensibly.

I honestly don’t know if a team would offer north of 2 mil for him on the open market? This is a weird year for mid to bottom tier guys.

If he doesn’t accept and walks, so be it.

 

[BudBundy]

No Red Wings fan would be laughing. Most of us were happy to get rid of him.

Oh please. All of you were insisting he’d garner a 1st rd pick.

 

[Paul4587]

Montour not getting qualified would be a disaster. They traded a 1st and a good prospect for him just a year ago, and then they spent the last year playing him on his off side with a rotating group of d-partners. They pretty much set him up to fail.

I wouldn’t go that far. Guhle is a dime a dozen prospect who will be lucky if he ends up being more than a third pairing player.

 

[CraigBillington]

Two 2nd round picks traded to end up not qualifying AA. Rough for Edmonton.

Maybe there is just no market for him going into arbitration.

There's a possibility he could still be signed though, there are guys who do go unqualified and re sign with their old teams for less

 

[Blueston]

Stecher and Virtanen are possibles from Vancouver. Not that I agree with that, but it is Jim Benning. Montour and AA are obvious candidates, regardless of acquisition cost. If the Blues are serious about signing Pietrangelo, I could see them walking from Barbashev and Sanford.

Caggiula, Mikheyev, Kahun...some other 'names' where the team may not be interested in the arbitration rights.

Barbashev and Sanford are already signed (they each inked 2 year deals last summer). Dunn is Blues only RFA (other than minor leaguers).

 

[ginner classic]

Barbashev and Sanford are already signed (they each inked 2 year deals last summer). Dunn is Blues only RFA (other than minor leaguers).

Ah ok

 

[ginner classic]

Mikheyevs QO is league Min...... Dubas also said he and Dermott are going to get signed

I was looking at guys with arb rights.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

It would be great if the Flyers don’t qualify Robert Hagg but I won’t get my hopes up.

Hogg’s hit was 1.15mil for the 19-20 season. He does have arbitration rights as well.

 

[sabremike]

I wouldn’t go that far. Guhle is a dime a dozen prospect who will be lucky if he ends up being more than a third pairing player.

The pick in one of the deepest drafts ever you got made this a complete robbery all by itself, Guhle is just a bonus.

 

[Paul4587]

The pick in one of the deepest drafts ever you got made this a complete robbery all by itself, Guhle is just a bonus.

2019 one of the deepest ever? I don’t know about that. And the guy we picked there looks like he will be a decent NHLer but far from a superstar, likely a middle 6 forward if all goes well.

 

[duckpuck]

I wanna see Montour not be qualified and end up on the Leafs.. always thought he would excel there

Like Barrie? Montour is similar one dimensional player. Not sure what role he has on a team that already has a very good offensive d-man.

 

[sabremike]

2019 one of the deepest ever? I don’t know about that. And the guy we picked there looks like he will be a decent NHLer but far from a superstar, likely a middle 6 forward if all goes well.

And that would still be better than Montour, who has been about as useful as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.

 

[Freudian]

If a player isn't qualified, it doesn't automatically mean the team doesn't want him back. It just means they don't want him back at that number.

 

[seanlinden]

I think the concept of not qualifying a player because of arbitration is more click-bait than anything.

Arbitration hearings typically happen well after free agency begins. While I believe you are limited to using other RFA deals, all you need is a few players to sign before then to establish a new "COVID-benchmark".

That being said, there will likely be some guys not qualified, simply because their qualifying offers no longer make sense in the world of a fixed budget. Only so much salary can be shed when nobody's really buying.

 

[Oddbob]

Barzal, Mathew		NYI	23	C	Right		85	24	50	74	10	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Burakovsky, André		COL	25	LW, RW	Left		73	27	35	62	18	-	-	-	-		$3,250,000
Strome, Ryan		NYR	27	C, RW	Right		73	18	43	61	18	-	-	-	-		$3,100,000
Dubois, Pierre-Luc		CBJ	22	C, LW	Left		80	22	37	59	1	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Deangelo, Anthony		NYR	24	RD	Right		71	15	39	54	6	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Kubalik, Dominik		CHI	25	LW	Left		77	34	20	54	0	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Reinhart, Sam		BUF	24	RW, C	Right		69	22	28	50	-15	-	-	-	-		$3,650,000
Cirelli, Anthony		TBL	23	C	Left		82	18	31	49	27	-	-	-	-		$717,500
Bertuzzi, Tyler		DET	25	LW, RW	Left		71	21	27	48	-23	-	-	-	-		$1,400,000
Domi, Max		MTL	25	C, LW	Left		81	17	30	47	-5	-	-	-	-		$3,150,000
Gurianov, Denis		DAL	23	LW	Left		82	28	16	44	6	-	-	-	-		$894,166
Brown, Connor		OTT	26	LW, RW	Right		71	16	27	43	-6	-	-	-	-		$2,100,000
Hintz, Roope		DAL	23	C, LW	Left		78	21	22	43	2	-	-	-	-		$811,667
Pulock, Ryan		NYI	25	RD	Right		85	11	32	43	9	-	-	-	-		$2,000,000
Olofsson, Victor		BUF	25	LW, RW	Left		54	20	22	42	-1	-	-	-	-		$767,500
Strome, Dylan		CHI	23	C	Left		67	14	27	41	-2	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Duclair, Anthony		OTT	25	LW, RW	Left		66	23	17	40	-5	-	-	-	-		$1,650,000
DeBrusk, Jake		BOS	23	LW	Left		78	23	16	39	-4	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Sergachev, Mikhail		TBL	22	LD	Left		84	11	28	39	20	-	-	-	-		$925,000
Mantha, Anthony		DET	25	RW, LW	Left		43	16	22	38	-7	-	-	-	-		$3,300,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

These are the 20 "bigger name" RFAs. Which of these won't be getting QO?

Virtually all of these are locks to get qualified. Connor Brown and Anthony Duclair are the least likely of the group but even they get a QO in my opinion. None of these guys are making so much that qualifying them hurts you.