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Friedman: “Habs management has been told to rebuild and stock up on picks and prospects.”
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As long as there are no cap problems, I don't see Bergevin even considering to try to trade Price.
As for the rebuild, it makes no sense to do that as long as Bergevin is the GM. A rebuild would be a direct announcement that he has failed at his job and it's time to move on.
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Just checking in......is this thread still other teams fans insisting that they dont want Hab players but offering to do The Habs a favor and graciously take them off The Habs hands at a lowball discount???
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If Habs management was told to stock up on picks and prospects, it means they must be loading up to trade for another malcontent french canadian player who'll have zero impact on their ability to win. My money is on Huberdeau.
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I think that would be a deal the Habs could do.
Galchenyuk Drouin Gallagher
Byron Fabbri Zadina
Hudon Danault Thompson
Lehkonen De La Rose Shaw
Deslauriers
Mete Weber
Bouwmeester Petry
Alzner Juulsen
Reilly Schlemko
Allen
Niemi
If Bouwmeester is healthy and stuff, ship him out for more at the deadline and call up Walman.
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Pacioretty still had his chances. He still scored 17 while looking "old, "slow, and "disinterested". If he doesn't want to play in Montreal and get a trades that "disinterested" part suddenly changes.
Klefbom the way he looked is a top 4 in a not so good team. Healthy season he should look like a legitimate top 4 on a good team, or may be better. Again, still a risk.
You said I contradicted myself and never provided a point.
You say we'll be lucky to get a 2nd and a prospect ? Or you trolling, or just really dense?
Andrew Ladd brought back a 1st and then some ad a rental for a few months.
Martin Hanzal brought back a 1st and then some as a rental for a few months.
Rick Nash (1 more goal in 4 less games) was traded for a 1st, a decent prospect and a decent NHL player (they did take on a bad contract )
So, tell me how Pacioretty is worth a 2nd (likely a late 2nd at that) and a b prospect
Let's wait and see when you're wrong. Assuming he's actually dealt.
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Here's how Price's contract ends up working:
Possibility 1: You get the franchise, world-class goaltender that Bergevin signed to the contract, and he's worth every penny
Possibility 2: He's injured a ton, you slap him on IR and voila its like magic!
Price as he is today, with no retention, would fetch an 8-12th pick, a conditional 1st, and a roster player. Anything less, the Habs go nowhere near it and just keep Price. They can afford his contract, and they get either a healthy elite goaltender or they slap him on the IR and move on. Paying assets to get rid of his contract if they're trying to rebuild is quite literally the most stupid thing I have ever read on this forum board.
We get it, you're edgy and want to ride the "he's overpaid nobody wants that bad contract" train but it requires you to be generally stupid to believe that the Habs would have to package him with the THIRD OVERALL PICK to move his contract.
To the OP:
Habs aren't rebuilding, Friedman is off his rocker on this one.
Should they, is another discussion entirely --- but so long as Bergevin is the GM, they won't be rebuilding. To have him try and move players that he signed/traded for (Alzner, Shaw, Weber), to take a bad deal and move Price (who he gave the extension to), to have traded Sergachev --- it just isn't going to be a good time. If he goes out and moves those four players, he will have officially decimated his ability to work for any organization ever once Montreal inevitably cans him. That is literally admitting that everything he has done here was wrong and a waste minus the Petry and Danault moves.
Subban shouldn't have been moved (or at the very least, moved for young players/picks)
Sergachev shouldn't have been moved (I like Drouin but future star defenseman don't grow on trees)
Shaw shouldn't have ever been acquired (Love the guy, but DeBrincat is alone more valuable --- two seconds for virtually nothing)
Price shouldn't have been thrown an extension a year in advance, but it's not the end of the world because the dude will bounce back
DSP and Eller should not have been traded --- heart and soul guys who played hard and well for the Canadiens; moved because they didn't fit the Therrien CHaracter regime (Grats to them on the cup though)
Alzner's signing was atrocious --- he literally is a pylon getting paid way too much
Markov should have been resigned --- dude's an all-star and would have been our best LD this year despite being 80 years old and working on a plastic knee
Radulov should have been resigned --- I miss Tickles
A rebuild is him admitting to all of that --- it won't happen. If anything, this is a tactic to get offers on the entire team, without actually saying "hey guys we're selling".
Yeah, but that's been the case for a long time now......nobody has offered jack squat....what does that tell you?
You couldn't PAY another team to take Price, (which is what you'd have to do if it were possible but it isn't)
Worthless asset at a worthless possition that no one wants to spend more than a couple of million on, and you want to get people to pay 10 million for 8 years for less than what they would get at 2.5 million?????
HAHAHAHAHAH
Then you've come to the right place HF or "grinder undercover" as some people call it
Yes, and I'm sure teams are LINING up to repeat three stupid deals like those....But even those deal aren't comparable, those three players are on a level above patches, they bring a lot more to the table, the rest of the NHL never found Patches that interesting, now even less so
Berg tried HARD to trade Paches, the returns he was offered were embarrassing to him, that's why he is still on your team,
The poster you are replying to is correct, 2nd rounder and a "B" prospect, you will never get a significant return for Patches...
Don't believe us? Watch, wait, see what you get, or don't get rather
My guess is that Berg tries to resign him, simply because the return he would get would be humiliating, for him....and for YOU
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| 62 | Jacob Markstrom | 28 | VAN | 60 | 57 | 23 | 26 | 7 | 154 | 1745 | 1591 | .912 | 2.71 | 2 | 9.6 | 3414 | 29 | .509 | 8 | 101 | -0.84 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
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| 63 | Steve Mason | 29 | WPG | 13 | 12 | 5 | 6 | 1 | 37 | 392 | 355 | .906 | 3.24 | 1 | 1.9 | 685 | 5 | .417 | 3 | 108 | -2.59 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 64 | Curtis McElhinney | 34 | TOR | 18 | 15 | 11 | 5 | 1 | 35 | 528 | 493 | .934 | 2.14 | 3 | 4.2 | 979 | 8 | .533 | 1 | 76 | 11.34 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 65 | Mike McKenna | 34 | DAL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 50 | 45 | .900 | 2.96 | 0 | 0.2 | 101 | 0 | .000 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 66 | Ryan Miller | 37 | ANA | 28 | 21 | 12 | 6 | 6 | 53 | 739 | 686 | .928 | 2.35 | 4 | 5.4 | 1353 | 13 | .619 | 3 | 82 | 11.86 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 67 | Al Montoya | 32 | TOT | 13 | 8 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 37 | 346 | 309 | .893 | 3.21 | 0 | 1.2 | 692 | 1 | .125 | 2 | 122 | -6.63 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 |
| 67 | Al Montoya | 32 | EDM | 9 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 23 | 244 | 221 | .906 | 2.94 | 0 | 1.2 | 469 | 1 | .200 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | ||
| 67 | Al Montoya | 32 | MTL | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 14 | 102 | 88 | .863 | 3.77 | 0 | 0.0 | 223 | 0 | .000 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | ||
| 68 | Petr Mrazek | 25 | TOT | 39 | 33 | 14 | 13 | 6 | 106 | 1080 | 974 | .902 | 3.03 | 4 | 4.8 | 2097 | 11 | .333 | 8 | 112 | -11.21 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 68 | Petr Mrazek | 25 | DET | 22 | 18 | 8 | 7 | 3 | 57 | 630 | 573 | .910 | 2.89 | 3 | 3.3 | 1184 | 7 | .389 | 4 | 103 | -1.71 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 68 | Petr Mrazek | 25 | PHI | 17 | 15 | 6 | 6 | 3 | 49 | 450 | 401 | .891 | 3.22 | 1 | 1.5 | 913 | 4 | .267 | 4 | 124 | -9.50 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 69 | Matt Murray | 23 | PIT | 49 | 45 | 27 | 16 | 3 | 133 | 1423 | 1290 | .907 | 2.92 | 1 | 7.0 | 2733 | 19 | .422 | 6 | 106 | -8.11 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 70 | Michal Neuvirth | 29 | PHI | 22 | 18 | 9 | 7 | 3 | 45 | 530 | 485 | .915 | 2.60 | 1 | 3.1 | 1039 | 10 | .556 | 5 | 97 | 1.52 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 71 | Antti Niemi | 34 | TOT | 24 | 20 | 7 | 9 | 4 | 63 | 710 | 647 | .911 | 3.12 | 1 | 3.9 | 1213 | 12 | .600 | 4 | 101 | -0.68 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 71 | Antti Niemi | 34 | MTL | 19 | 17 | 7 | 5 | 4 | 42 | 592 | 550 | .929 | 2.46 | 1 | 4.4 | 1026 | 12 | .706 | 2 | 81 | 9.96 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 71 | Antti Niemi | 34 | PIT | 3 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 16 | 79 | 63 | .797 | 7.49 | 0 | -0.5 | 128 | 0 | .000 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | ||
| 71 | Antti Niemi | 34 | FLA | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 39 | 34 | .872 | 5.11 | 0 | 0.0 | 59 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||
| 72 | Anders Nilsson | 27 | VAN | 27 | 24 | 7 | 14 | 4 | 84 | 850 | 766 | .901 | 3.44 | 2 | 3.7 | 1464 | 8 | .333 | 5 | 113 | -9.40 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 |
| 73 | Ondrej Pavelec | 30 | NYR | 19 | 12 | 4 | 9 | 1 | 46 | 510 | 464 | .910 | 3.05 | 1 | 2.7 | 904 | 5 | .417 | 3 | 103 | -1.24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| 74 | Calvin Pickard | 25 | TOR | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 28 | 24 | .857 | 3.83 | 0 | 0.0 | 63 | 0 | .000 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||
| 75 | Carey Price | 30 | MTL | 49 | 48 | 16 | 26 | 7 | 148 | 1487 | 1339 | .900 | 3.11 | 1 | 6.4 | 2855 | 21 | .438 | 10 | 113 | -17.49 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
To quote Keith Richards "Opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one and they all stink,"
Let's check THE FACTS......75th in the league, that's where your boy finished the year THE 75th BEST GOALIE IN THE NHL
How many of those players polled do you think might want to change their mind?
(.900 SP 3.11 GAA? What is this? 1989?)
And you have just revealed you are incapable of discussing this topic or defending your position,
BTW in the future remember: resorting to 2nd grade "Your a dumm dumm poo poo face" type talk when you are losing an argument, is the eqivillant of saying: "I'm not smart enough to be part of this conversation"
At least you were right about that,
75th ranked Goaltender? .900 Svp? 3.11 GAA? For that contract?
No, that is NOT the least of your worries
Come on now, are you really comparing Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Weber & Price to Baertchi and Sutton? And you’re calling us delusional?
We have (most of Habs fan) made it clear that we are not interested in moving Gallagher, Price and Weber even if we’re rebuilding. We don’t want a 10 years rebuild and we need to keep our star veteran, just like Boston did.
Pacioretty is definitely available. Do we want a high price? Of course, we do! Does he have a high value? According to François Gagnon, (Who asked 5 other GMs - Yes, real GMs - his value has not taken a hit despite a bad season). I personally think he WILL fetch a better return than Lucic, but who knows at this point?
Galchenyuk MIGHT be available but he’s not going for cheap or even “fair value”. It would take an overpayment on a position of need for us to move him.
I hope this clears the air to other fans around
Horse McHindu
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Agree to disagree....most habs fans know he is the least of our worries...haters gonna hate lol
know what another saying is ? " people are willing to post the most assinine crap so long as it agrees with their personal views"
you have calving freaking picard ahead of price on this list. if that doesnt invalidate the list I don't know what could. That you would WILLINGLY attach your name to such a fundamentally flawed list says way more about YOU than it does about carey price.
just when you think hfboards has seen its fill of morons........
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If you want Carey Price, you're trading at least Bo Horvat and that 7th overall pick.
Montreal is not taking on that Eriksson deal.
Torontonian
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Toronto would more then likely take Weber if MTL retained on him and the price was right. Having Weber would make our D pretty solid and fits whats needed in the playoffs which we don't have apart from Polak (toughness, someone that will make you pay)
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Canucks have room for Price and Weber. Retreads won't fetch the 7th, though.
Horvat doesn't speak French. Gagne might? Leipsic? They seem like Habs material.
Horvat doesn't speak French. Gagne might? Leipsic? They seem like Habs material.
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Montreal would have to retain at least $2M per season for the remaining 8 years.
Even then, the return for Montreal would not be significant.
I love Weber but his torn tendons, age and ludicrous contract really hamper his trade value.
If he retires, Nashville takes on the burden of his contract but I would never expect him to prematurely retire. Guys like Weber just don't suddenly retire. They keep playing until they physically can't anymore and if he's playing the last couple seasons of his career at 70%, due to his body deteriorating, that's a bad investment. I am not willing to have my team pay significant assets for a guy that age, with that contract.
