‘18-19 State of the Ducks Part II - Failed

[Ducks DVM]

Perry has a goal and 2 assists in 8 games. Our standards for forwards sometimes are *really* low.

That’s involvement in 23% of the goals scored (13 total goals in 8 games, with 5 of those scored last night, yuck) over that span by the entire team.

Doesn’t sound nearly so bad when you look at how inept the entire team has been.

There’s no way that his knee is healthy.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

So he didn't do away with them at all(especially since he still does them), but midseason he some years made them non-mandatory. Sorry man he's not the trailblazer you thought he was, it is weird that you're fighting so hard to deem this new school thinking though lol.

Also it really isn't. You don't need to go to the scientists to know more rest is better, but like I said, theres been no actual data about morning skates. It's also questionable how much rest you're gaining. It'll be more than zero but almost all coaches will still want players to come in so you're not gaining much, if anything, in terms of sleep, it's almost entirely about the light skate, which doesn't burn much.

If we want to talk about opinion and personal beliefs, you latching onto this trend because you think it's new school and believing it has a major impact based on zero evidence certainly counts.

You said Torts was the first to scrap morning skates. That is infact not true, if you are to believe Laviolette he saw Paul Maurice start doing it and started using it himself. It was well known when he was with the Flyers that morning skates were mostly optional.

It's not a personal belief in every sport they're adopting more rest based methods, so I'm not sure why you are trying to argue

 

[Paul4587]

He has 1 less point than Comtois and has been playing powerplay basically all season. He's done stick a fork in him, if you wanna bet on a point total next season or whenever you think he will be healthy let me know.

You don’t think there’s any chance as he recovers from the surgery still he can gain a bit of lateral movement back and revert into a respectable third liner.

I’m not saying it’s a guarantee that happens but if you look at the difference two years made to Girouxs skating ability you would at least acknowledge there’s a chance.

 

[bsu]

You don’t think there’s any chance as he recovers from the surgery still he can gain a bit of lateral movement back and revert into a respectable third liner.

I’m not saying it’s a guarantee that happens but if you look at the difference two years made to Girouxs skating ability you would at least acknowledge there’s a chance.

They are completely different players and Kesler has been playing crash and burn hockey his entire career.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

You said Torts was the first to scrap morning skates. That is infact not true, if you are to believe Laviolette he saw Paul Maurice start doing it and started using it himself. It was well known when he was with the Flyers that morning skates were mostly optional.

It's not a personal belief in every sport they're adopting more rest based methods, so I'm not sure why you are trying to argue

None of those guys scrapped them, they made them optional and seemingly only for parts of the season. Lavi even said in that article that he made that change midway through the season. Either way, I'm pointing out this isn't a new school thing, it's entirely about personal preference.

They also are definitely not adopting more rest based methods in every sport. People in the NFL have done nothing but complain about the CBA mandating more time off, MLB has done nothing about BP to my knowledge and the same with NBA and morning shootaround. Again, with morning skate you're talking about a light skate for guys that nap every afternoon, it's nothing particularly impactful. It probably won't hurt to do away with them but some players love them and either way it's not gonna affect a whole lot.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

They are completely different players and Kesler has been playing crash and burn hockey his entire career.

If Kesler was an AHLer ( i know he can't) would Eakins even play him on the 4th line ? Steel/Carrick/Kloos/Kossila all look better options for SD.

 

[Deuce22]

Oh, ok yeah I get what you're saying, although not sure I totally agree. Just because he won't scratch him doesn't mean he's letting him slide.

Not really speaking about Rakell specifically, just vets in general.

 

[Sojourn]

Maybe. Or maybe fans just make excuses for guys.

I didn’t list excuses. I listed reasons why people would be more willing to accept less than impressive numbers. Maybe you’re just looking for a reason to trash Perry, or the people saying “Wait, hold on. He actually doesn’t look bad for someone returning from a major surgery. Give him some f***ing time.”

Give him some f***ing time, before you try to suggest his point total means everything, especially on a team that has looked consistently like garbage this season.

The bottom line here is there is a difference between making excuses, and having realistic expectations given the circumstances. You don’t seem to care whether it’s realistic or not. You simply want to say the standards are low, and point to the point total as the reason. Everything else be damned.

 

[snarktacular]

They don't play a thing like Jesus, but they fight like a gentleman. Like you remember when you were young.

 

[AngelDuck]

You don’t think there’s any chance as he recovers from the surgery still he can gain a bit of lateral movement back and revert into a respectable third liner.

I’m not saying it’s a guarantee that happens but if you look at the difference two years made to Girouxs skating ability you would at least acknowledge there’s a chance.

No. There is literally zero chance. I'll say it. You're comparing him to Giroux who was in his 20s and was never a player that relied on intensity.

He has shown no signs of improvement for 2 straight years. In fact, the results have gotten worse.

At 35 years old, he is completely toast and should be dealt with accordingly.

The Ducks organization can't afford to waste another year on him for a .000001% chance that he returns to form.

 

[Paul4587]

No. There is literally zero chance. I'll say it. You're comparing him to Giroux who was in his 20s and was never a player that relied on intensity.

He has shown no signs of improvement for 2 straight years. In fact, the results have gotten worse.

At 35 years old, he is completely toast and should be dealt with accordingly.

The Ducks organization can't afford to waste another year on him for a .000001% chance that he returns to form.

I disagree there is zero chance. Since Murray came in and dropped his minutes and since he came back from IR he has looked slightly more agile and a bit quicker. Now that could be coincidence or it could be that he is gaining a bit of mobility back and the rest has helped. I'm not guaranteeing we see him bounce back into a decent third line option but I'm not willing to write it off completely.

 

[pbgoalie]

I disagree there is zero chance. Since Murray came in and dropped his minutes and since he came back from IR he has looked slightly more agile and a bit quicker. Now that could be coincidence or it could be that he is gaining a bit of mobility back and the rest has helped. I'm not guaranteeing we see him bounce back into a decent third line option but I'm not willing to write it off completely.

Heck, most of this year, he wasn’t a fourth line looking player for the most part.
It sucks when injuries steal athleticism, especially if we are overspending for that. But if actually managing his minutes (not just saying we will), can allow him to be a lower minute solid face off/defensive specialist, that would be better than what we’ve seen the past two seasons, and have some team value

 

[KyleJRM]

I didn’t list excuses. I listed reasons why people would be more willing to accept less than impressive numbers. Maybe you’re just looking for a reason to trash Perry, or the people saying “Wait, hold on. He actually doesn’t look bad for someone returning from a major surgery. Give him some ****ing time.”

Give him some ****ing time, before you try to suggest his point total means everything, especially on a team that has looked consistently like garbage this season.

The bottom line here is there is a difference between making excuses, and having realistic expectations given the circumstances. You don’t seem to care whether it’s realistic or not. You simply want to say the standards are low, and point to the point total as the reason. Everything else be damned.

My original post was in response to several posts I had seen suggesting that Perry had looked good or back to his old form. Not “it’s okay that he isn’t producing because he is still getting back into form.”

Again: we frequently have terribly low standards for our forwards.

 

[MaKi]

I haven't had much time to watch games around the league this season, but have always been a huge fan of Getzlaf and Perry, so usually keep an eye on the Ducks.

I'm just curious how people who have been watching most games think the guys will perform from here until the end of the season.
I play in one fantasy hockey league and I just went a little overboard checking the playoff schedule of each team. The Ducks play the most games during that span and on the most off nights (Not thesd/thurs/sat), which is important so that everyone isn't playing on the same night and forced to sit some out of the lineup.

So basically my question is, with the coaching change do you think any of the guys will go back to producing at their usual pace?
I've had Getzlaf on my team since the draft (drafted Perry too), but aside from him everyone one from the Ducks is available.

 

[duxfan1101]

I haven't had much time to watch games around the league this season, but have always been a huge fan of Getzlaf and Perry, so usually keep an eye on the Ducks.

I'm just curious how people who have been watching most games think the guys will perform from here until the end of the season.
I play in one fantasy hockey league and I just went a little overboard checking the playoff schedule of each team. The Ducks play the most games during that span and on the most off nights (Not thesd/thurs/sat), which is important so that everyone isn't playing on the same night and forced to sit some out of the lineup.

So basically my question is, with the coaching change do you think any of the guys will go back to producing at their usual pace?
I've had Getzlaf on my team since the draft (drafted Perry too), but aside from him everyone one from the Ducks is available.

It's too soon to tell, especially with the trade deadline coming up. We played great against Washington on Sunday in what was probably our best performance of the season, but I'd give it another couple weeks before I say this team is definitely better than when Carlyle was here.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

If they make the playoffs & KO Calgary in the 1st round, Murray should win the Jack Adams award lol

 

[SirQuacksALot]

If they make the playoffs & KO Calgary in the 1st round, Murray should win the Jack Adams award lol

I'd much rather draft Hughes or Kakko, but I have to admit the meltdowns on here would be spectacular.

 

[bumperkisser]

I find it funny that everyone has Calgary pegged as our 1st seed. Honestly I see SJ ending up on top of the Pacific Division by the time the season is over

 

[Anaheim4ever]

I'd much rather draft Hughes or Kakko, but I have to admit the meltdowns on here would be spectacular.

The Calgary board in particular.
I'm on both Team 'Make the playoffs & upset the Flames' & Team 'Tank for Top3 pick'.
In between is 'get the 12th pick & miss the playoffs'

 

[branmuffin17]

If they make the playoffs & KO Calgary in the 1st round, Murray should win the Jack Adams award lol

IHCBM should get the Jack Adams in that case, while GMBM should get slammed for not making the change MUCH sooner.

 

[dracom]

I don't think this franchise even knows what state they are in. With Randy we were a bottom 3 team, without him we look better but our roster is still isn't good enough to be a real playoff contender. Not to mention we have no idea when Gibson will be back. There's just no clear message from management about what this team plans to do. If we're going to compete for a playoff spot then get an actual coach instead of having Murray down there. If we're not, then move Silf now, get some assets back and bring him back in the off season.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

I don't think this franchise even knows what state they are in. With Randy we were a bottom 3 team, without him we look better but our roster is still isn't good enough to be a real playoff contender. Not to mention we have no idea when Gibson will be back. There's just no clear message from management about what this team plans to do. If we're going to compete for a playoff spot then get an actual coach instead of having Murray down there. If we're not, then move Silf now, get some assets back and bring him back in the off season.

He's said repeatedly this group isn't good enough to win anything. He's said he thinks there's a serious problem in the locker room. That doesn't mean he thinks they aren't a fix or two away from being where he wants to be, in which case he'd want Silf around.

The stuff about trading him and bringing him back is just fantasy, it pretty much never happens.

 

[pbgoalie]

So, obviously, the state of the Ducks is back of the field.
I’m on board for retooling.
Bob did a very nice job when Burke left getting us back in to
A contender. His extension pretty much puts him in charge of a retool,
But all the extensions and limited ability to move or trade them makes us
A “sort of” team. Older players with injury issues we can’t move easily. What appears to be a nice group of young players, but without any rock stars YET.

And a formerly great young defense core that isn’t pretty thin right now
Fowler a guy that tantalizer’s with ability but plays soft and seems injury prone
Lindholm who is great...but a low #1 ?
Manson I’m hoping new coaching will put him back on path
Larrssen looks like he can be a solid nhl defenseman
And the rest

Our forward and defense look similar in some ways going forward. Some nice solid pieces but no one stand out (maybe Hampus)

Are we going to have to rely on being four solid lines of scoring by committee,
And a pool of the same approach on defense?

If Gibson can improve and stay healthy........we do have some young goalie prospects that are intriguing

Two first round picks if we fall into the right spots can be pretty game changing a couple years from now....we’ve always drafted incredibly, but imo the pressure is really on our scouts, and they’ve come through before....we need them this year!

 

[Paul4587]

I hate that our blueline depth has gone from:

Fowler
Lindholm
Manson
Vatanen
Theodore
Montour

To

Fowler
Lindholm
Manson
Guhle
Larsson (who is in the AHL)
Megna/Holzer/insert scrub here

Within the space of a year and a half. Obviously we no longer have Stoners contract and also have Henrique but we are down to a three man blueline, all of whom have underachieved this season and one of which is having by far his worst season in 6 years.

That to me shows poor asset management. Murray has done a lot of good and has helped build up a lot of depth. But he’s gotten rid of a lot of quality assets, most notably on the blueline for not much in return.

 

[caliamad]

I hate that our blueline depth has gone from:

To

Fowler
Lindholm
Manson
Guhle
Larsson (who is in the AHL)
Megna/Holzer/insert scrub here

I get what your saying, but you are excluding Mahura, Welinksi, Hunter Drew, etc. We also have 2 1st round picks this year.

I'm actually suprised we haven't moved Fowler, but that should tell you the market. Prices were pretty low this trade deadline. Not a good time to be a seller.

I think once we saw the prices, we decided to get a reasonable deal for Montour and stand pat. Given what others paid, 1st + decent prospect isn't bad especially if i'm wrong about Manson -> Guehle connection and the fact that the ducks were maligned against Montour (rightly or wrongly).