You asked for it, here is your All Purpose San Jose Sharks Offseason Thread

[MW6]

Ok, I hear you. For this 3-way to work Jurco has to be included Let's make it

Tomas Jurco
Caps 1st 2015
Dmitry Orlov

For Jumbo Joe

Sounds fair?

 

[Sleepy]

I was going to add healthy Rinne. IMO, Rinne, Rask and Lundqvist are the Vezina group.

Yep. Quick is really good but I think I take those 3 over him.

 

[DG93]

Ok, I hear you. For this 3-way to work Jurco has to be included Let's make it

Tomas Jurco
Caps 1st 2015
Dmitry Orlov

For Jumbo Joe

Sounds fair?

Yes, absolutely. I would do that.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I was going to add healthy Rinne. IMO, Rinne, Rask and Lundqvist are the Vezina group. When they are on their game and healthy, you can add Bob, Varlamov, Smith and Bishop to the follow up group.

Quick is up there but he gives up too much of the upper half of the net when he goes side to side. In style he is most comparable to Rask who is also aggressive.

Can't ignore that Quick fits very well in LA and Raask fits very well in Boston. Don't think they'd be quite the same if switched, for example.

Just not my type of return for Jumbo. If the Sharks trade him, they need to gear the return towards futures. Johansson and Brouwer are more transitional pieces. Jurco is arguably the same way although less proven and possibly more potential. The Sharks would need to trade Thornton for a good 1st round pick or that level of a young prospect. They'll focus more on quality than quantity.

Trading Thornton will be more about the team setting a new direction that anything else. I cannot imagine JT getting a return that would "cement" the future for the team. They're not going to get a young JT, or even a young PM or young Couture in return.

You need one or two superstar/franchise level forwards to win a cup. If the Sharks decide that JT isn't that, they should realize that they are very unlikely to receive that kind of player, or that kind of future player, in trade. The Sharks would still be looking to fill that hole, and it isn't going to be easy.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Trading Thornton will be more about the team setting a new direction that anything else. I cannot imagine JT getting a return that would "cement" the future for the team. They're not going to get a young JT, or even a young PM or young Couture in return.

You need one or two superstar/franchise level forwards to win a cup. If the Sharks decide that JT isn't that, they should realize that they are very unlikely to receive that kind of player, or that kind of future player, in trade. The Sharks would still be looking to fill that hole, and it isn't going to be easy.

Which is why something like a 1st round pick in a supposedly talent-laden draft is a must if they're going to make that move. They need one franchise level or something relatively close to it asset in return for Thornton and the best bet is going to be a draft pick over a tradeable young player or prospect.

 

[CanadienShark]

Ok, I hear you. For this 3-way to work Jurco has to be included Let's make it

Tomas Jurco
Caps 1st 2015
Dmitry Orlov

For Jumbo Joe

Sounds fair?

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[SJeasy]

Can't ignore that Quick fits very well in LA and Raask fits very well in Boston. Don't think they'd be quite the same if switched, for example.

Quick and Rask are extremely similar, very aggressive. They both need defenders who are rock solid protecting the back door. Switching them would probably be the easiest swap for either in terms of potential destinations if they moved. Rinne and Lundqvist are more unique in style.

 

[cantskate]

Ok, I hear you. For this 3-way to work Jurco has to be included Let's make it

Tomas Jurco
Caps 1st 2015
Dmitry Orlov

For Jumbo Joe

Sounds fair?

Caps would probably want something coming back in addition, like a 3rd round pick?

 

[Timo Time]

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke
Dreger "at some point this season, when he's stuck on the 4th line and questioning his future & the future of the team...."

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke
Dreger "...Joe Thornton may re-evaluate about staying in SJ & not waiving his NTC"

Dreger get's worse by the day.

 

[Bowie22]

That guy makes me lol every time

 

[hohosaregood]

Dreger get's worse by the day.

Was he competent like two years ago or am I remembering wrong because it seems like he's gotten really awful in the last 6 months.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

McClellan isn't going to make the team worse to try and make Thornton leave. What Pejorative Slured nonsense.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Was he competent like two years ago or am I remembering wrong because it seems like he's gotten really awful in the last 6 months.

He piggy backed off Bobby Mac and LeBrun. He's a Leafs mouthpiece anymore.

 

[SactoShark]

Dreger's Analysis of the SJ Sharks Forward Depth Chart

1. Hertl
2. Nieto
3. Couture
4. Pavelski
5. Wingels
6. Sheppard
7. Kennedy
8. Torres
9. Burish
10. Desjardins
11. Marleau
12. Thornton
13. Brown
14. Scott

 

[LadyStanley]

McClellan isn't going to make the team worse to try and make Thornton leave. What Pejorative Slured nonsense.

What does the GM of the Caps have to do with how the Sharks are run?

 

[Timo Time]

Dreger's Analysis of the SJ Sharks Forward Depth Chart

1. Hertl
2. Nieto
3. Couture
4. Pavelski
5. Wingels
6. Sheppard
7. Kennedy
8. Torres
9. Burish
10. Desjardins
11. Marleau
12. Thornton
13. Brown
14. Scott

Scott and Brown are too low. Other than that, agreed.

 

[JayP812]

What does the GM of the Caps have to do with how the Sharks are run?

He was obviously talking about the Civil War general.

 

[Coily]

Joe Thornton on the 4th line.

You dun goofed.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

What does the GM of the Caps have to do with how the Sharks are run?

Lol.

Ultimately the coach has the say on what players he skates where. It would be job suicide to put Thornton in a bottom 6 role.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Lol.

Ultimately the coach has the say on what players he skates where. It would be job suicide to put Thornton in a bottom 6 role.

That depends really. If DW is the guy behind it and has Hasso's approval for it, it isn't necessarily job suicide. Besides, Thornton would still find a way to be productive in a 3rd line role or even on the 4th. However, the players will not likely allow it to happen.

 

[KirbyDots]

Dreger get's worse by the day.

Hope Smoke: Pierre LeBrun: “Saying that, Thornton wasn’t good in the playoffs. Neither were Couture, Pavelski and Niemi was the worst of all†… “Doug Wilson never asked Joe Thornton to waive his NMC this summer.†… “I think Stalock is going to wrestle the job away from Niemi & I think that’s what the organization wants.€

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

That depends really. If DW is the guy behind it and has Hasso's approval for it, it isn't necessarily job suicide. Besides, Thornton would still find a way to be productive in a 3rd line role or even on the 4th. However, the players will not likely allow it to happen.

If their ultimate goal becomes taking a team that is good enough to win right now and purposely making them worse, I'm out. That's ass backwards. I can see if they're a team like the Flames with Iginla, but this team already has young talent. There is no sense in not trying to win.

Putting Thornton outside the top 6 is not trying to win.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

"When I die I want the Sharks to lower me into my grave, so I can be let down one last time"

 

[SJSharksfan39]

"When I die I want the Sharks to lower me into my grave, so I can be let down one last time"

This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Well done sir.

 

[The Nemesis]

This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Well done sir.

Old joke. I've mostly seen it done with the Maple Leafs, but I'd be willing to bet that even then it was poached from other, earlier references, possibly in other sports (I could see it having gone through a Cleveland Browns phase before)