Would the Devils consider trading Schneider?

[Burner Account]

Yes. Bring in a veteran to play 20 or 25 games as a backup. Expectations are low so I don't what the big deal is. Schneider had a .935 save percentage and they couldn't even sniff the playoffs. Who cares at this point? It's about building the team going forward.

How better to build a team going forward than with a top 10 goalie in the league?

Is there a more important benchmark for team improvement than winning? Schneider gives you a better chance to win.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

and you two would be the first to ***** after Kinkaid proves he was not a starting NHL caliber goalie, I guarantee it.

 

[Tundra]

and you two would be the first to ***** after Kinkaid proves he was not a starting NHL caliber goalie, I guarantee it.

Why would I? If he fails, the higher pick they would garner. Kinkaid fails the audition and the devils receive the #3 overall selection in the 2016 draft.

 

[Tundra]

How better to build a team going forward than with a top 10 goalie in the league?

Is there a more important benchmark for team improvement than winning? Schneider gives you a better chance to win.

What are we winning? Explain.

 

[217 Forever]

and you two would be the first to ***** after Kinkaid proves he was not a starting NHL caliber goalie, I guarantee it.

If you really knew me you'd know that couldn't be more false.

I defended (not here) keeping DeBoer for last season and that turned out to be a disaster. I always call it like I see it and have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.

 

[Burner Account]

What are we winning? Explain.

Games. The more games you win, the greater your chance of making the playoffs. You want to make the playoffs, as it's the only route to a championship.

It seems like your logic is win the cup or pick first overall. It doesn't work like that.

 

[Tundra]

Games. The more games you win, the greater your chance of making the playoffs. You want to make the playoffs, as it's the only route to a championship.

It seems like your logic is win the cup or pick first overall. It doesn't work like that.

You need the horses to win. Without the horses, I'm not interested in placebos. That's where I'm coming from.

 

[Burner Account]

You need the horses to win. Without the horses, I'm not interested in placebos. That's where I'm coming from.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think yours is a stance that most hockey executives take.

 

[217 Forever]

Games. The more games you win, the greater your chance of making the playoffs. You want to make the playoffs, as it's the only route to a championship.

It seems like your logic is win the cup or pick first overall. It doesn't work like that.

So the better the goalie you have that's the only way to win games? Didn't Cory last year prove that isn't the only route? You need offense, defense, special teams, and goaltending.

 

[Burner Account]

So the better the goalie you have that's the only way to win games? Didn't Cory last year prove that isn't the only route? You need offense, defense, special teams, and goaltending.

I don't see where I said goaltending was the only way to win games.

Cory Schneider gives you a better chance to win than Keith Kinkaid. Do you disagree?

 

[Tundra]

I get what you're saying, but I don't think yours is a stance that most hockey executives take.

I don't think that they can publicly say this, but I suspect more think like this than you would expect.

 

[Burner Account]

I don't think that they can publicly say this, but I suspect more think like this than you would expect.

So what do you do?

"Hey Corey, I know this is the first year of the long-term contract we signed you to, but we changed our minds."

Really? Probably does some damage to future contract negotiations.

 

[217 Forever]

I don't see where I said goaltending was the only way to win games.

Cory Schneider gives you a better chance to win than Keith Kinkaid. Do you disagree?

I thought you were referring to goaltending being the only route to winning. Yes I agree that CS gives us a better chance than KK, but Jayden Schwartz gives us a better chance than Jordin Tootoo. You can't look at things in a vaccum like that. We're all searching for the best overall team.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

i also think those in the trade-Cory-to-maximize-assets camp are wildly underrating the correlation between having a rock in net and developing young defensemen.

cory backstops the young D and provides stability so they can focus on developing their "tools." having a top-5 goalie behind a first or second year defenseman can do wonders for his confidence and development.

cory is about as essential to this team as any player is, really. i can't understand why some people don't/can't/won't grasp this.

 

[Burner Account]

I thought you were referring to goaltending being the only route to winning. Yes I agree that CS gives us a better chance than KK, but Jayden Schwartz gives us a better chance than Jordin Tootoo. You can't look at things in a vaccum like that. We're all searching for the best overall team.

I would rather have an elite goaltender and below-average forwards than a below-average goaltender and above-average forwards.

Evidently, so would Lou Lamoriello.

 

[Tundra]

I would rather have an elite goaltender and below-average forwards than a below-average goaltender and above-average forwards.

Evidently, so would Lou Lamoriello.

I would rather play in the other team's zone. But you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

I would rather play in the other team's zone. But you are entitled to your opinion.

if you take cory off this team, we're edmonton. but with bull**** forwards.

 

[Burner Account]

I would rather play in the other team's zone. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Of course. It is my opinion. But it is also echoed by management.

 

[217 Forever]

Of course. It is my opinion. But it is also echoed by management.

Is the point of these discussions to echo what management is doing or to give our opinion of what's best for the Devils?

 

[Tundra]

Is the point of these discussions to echo what management is doing or to give our opinion of what's best for the Devils?

It's certainly a factor but we don't have to agree with it. If the devils want to build from the net out and finish in the lottery yet again, that's their prerogative. The proof is in the pudding. The results and goal differential speak for themselves. The detractors have to say very little when the empirical date speaks volumes.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

It's certainly a factor but we don't have to agree with it. If the devils want to build from the net out and finish in the lottery yet again, that's their prerogative. The proof is in the pudding. The results and goal differential speak for themselves.

and if we built from the forwards in, we'd have a situation much like edmonton's. and we'd still be in the lottery.

 

[NJDevs26]

i also think those in the trade-Cory-to-maximize-assets camp are wildly underrating the correlation between having a rock in net and developing young defensemen.

cory backstops the young D and provides stability so they can focus on developing their "tools." having a top-5 goalie behind a first or second year defenseman can do wonders for his confidence and development.

cory is about as essential to this team as any player is, really. i can't understand why some people don't/can't/won't grasp this.

It gets ignored cause people get myopic about improving the offense at all costs.

 

[Tundra]

It gets ignored cause people get myopic about improving the offense at all costs.

I wouldn't trade any of our young players who haven't reached free agency yet. Trading Schneider at this stage of his career however could not be characterized as myopic.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I wouldn't trade any of our young players who haven't reached free agency yet. Trading Schneider at this stage of his career however could not be characterized as myopic.

You ignored his core point, which is Cory being as good as he is helps the development of our young defense, which would have insane +/- do to their learning curve with an average goalie in net.

 

[217 Forever]

It's certainly a factor but we don't have to agree with it. If the devils want to build from the net out and finish in the lottery yet again, that's their prerogative. The proof is in the pudding. The results and goal differential speak for themselves. The detractors have to say very little when the empirical date speaks volumes.

I'm with you. 10-15 years ago I might have disagreed, but the speed and skill of the good teams nowadays is light years above what we have right now. And I'm not sure why people think we are asking the team to simply abandon defense and goaltending. Nobody is saying that. In a limited sample size Kinkaid looked to be a perfectly legitimate goalie. We aren't getting where we want to go by trading Gelinas and a 2nd rounder. This draft will hopefully help but offensively this team could still be years away from being acceptable.