blood gin
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Why can't NHL give Jets their history back?
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blood gin
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No. He actually did play for the Arizona franchise.
Who did he play for then before Buffalo?
vadim sharifijanov
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sometimes i think about these things and the image a comic book nerd waving his finger in the air yelling "that's not canon" pops into my head
ultimately, i don't have a horse in this race other than (as i think we all do) respect the right of fanbases to remember whomever they want however they want.
ultimately, i don't have a horse in this race other than (as i think we all do) respect the right of fanbases to remember whomever they want however they want.
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Ultimately, there are going to be some nice narratives you have to give up no matter which way you put your foot down.
If the Jets vanished off the face of the earth in 1996 only to reappear in 2011, then we don't get to say Shane Doan played his whole career for one team (or Sakic, for that matter). If the Jets packed up all their memories and brought them down south, then you get absurdities like Hawerchuk's jersey in the rafters.
The only way to reconcile that is to put the pedantry aside, and if clarity requires it, adopt some specificity in your language ("played in Winnipeg" vs. "played for Winnipeg" and so on).
If the Jets vanished off the face of the earth in 1996 only to reappear in 2011, then we don't get to say Shane Doan played his whole career for one team (or Sakic, for that matter). If the Jets packed up all their memories and brought them down south, then you get absurdities like Hawerchuk's jersey in the rafters.
The only way to reconcile that is to put the pedantry aside, and if clarity requires it, adopt some specificity in your language ("played in Winnipeg" vs. "played for Winnipeg" and so on).
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Speaking for Minnesota … I was very happy to see that the Dallas Stars franchise choose to honor franchise history by putting up Masterton's and Goldsworthy's banner numbers in their building. And, I also love to see it when the Wild often welcome the old North Stars alum with events and autograph signings in their building. The franchise history is , as it should be, officially recognized in Dallas, but the all memories stay in Minnesota. I guess in Minnesota we have our cake and we can eat it too.
The Winnipeg Jets
I prefer the route the Hurricanes took when the Whalers relocated. IE not pretending fans have any connections with Whalers greats (other then Francis who signed with the team after his pens tenure).
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That's the Coyotes franchise
Isn't it polite to acknowledge your franchises best players nomatter what city that team currently resides in?
No. It's silly but I guess the coyotes need every gimmick available for their franchise to pull more then 5000 people to games.
BKIslandersFan
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Weztex
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And he is right to do so because, like it or not, that is a fact.
Let's revisit history for a minute. Imagine that after relocation, the old Jets franchise kept his name and became the Arizona Jets. Fast forward to 2011 when the exact same Thrashers team is moved to Winnipeg, calling themselves the Falcons because the Jets moniker isn't available. Would Sportsnet show that infographic of Hawerchuk, Steen and MacLean among the Falcons leading scorers? No because there would be no connections whatsoever between the old Jets and the new Falcons. And that's exactly how it is except that they were able to recycled an old name people could relate to.
Now you can Hawerchuk the greatest player in Winnipeg's history whenever you want, but the fact is that he's still the greatest player of the Coyotes franchise.
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i feel like if you move the team and keep part of the name/logo, such as calgary remaining the flames, dallas being the stars, or hell i'll even give you the avalanche keeping the cold theme and turning les nordiques into the avalanche, then that's a grey area.
but if you completely change the colors, the logo, the name, and everything else that belonged to the old team (looking at you, jets 2.0, hurricanes, coyotes, and devils) then i think it's fair game for the new fanbase and the old players to ask, what are we even doing here?
but if you completely change the colors, the logo, the name, and everything else that belonged to the old team (looking at you, jets 2.0, hurricanes, coyotes, and devils) then i think it's fair game for the new fanbase and the old players to ask, what are we even doing here?
Greatest yet he never played any games for them?
Don't tell Reonick that, his head might explode.
Yeah with revenue sharing the Leafs and Habs keep a bunch of dead franchises afloat.
BKIslandersFan
F*** off
I am sorry, I didnt realize you single handedly own Leafs and Habs. And you out of your goodness if your heart, donate your money to these dead franchises. Silly me.
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The Coyotes were founded on December 27, 1971, as the Winnipeg Jets of the World Hockey Association (WHA). (Wikipedia)
So yeah... he technically did. He never played in Phoenix/Glendale but he played for the franchise. I don't get what is so hard to grasp.
Catilyn Jenner still owns her olympic gold despite having a different name.
Roenick's head doesn't need this much to explode.
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vadim sharifijanov
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i think everybody grasps what you're saying. there are just differing opinions on whether one should see things that way, or a different way.
but i assure you, every single person here grasps it.
Exactly, the only reason the Coyotes choose to 'honour' Hawerchuk is because they're a mickey mouse franchise and need gimmicks to pull more then 5000 people.
Weztex
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I was answering to this post by streitz, where it surely didn't look like it :
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I'm kind of indifferent to wards the Coyotes. I don't think they have any place in Arizona anymore and it is silly how long this charade has been going on. Still I feel as though honoring the contributions of not just a good, but great former player, Hall of Famer, is not a gimmick. I mean his name is everywhere in their record and stat book. They should be proud and acknowledge that this guy was a member of their franchise
And the current Jets who moved from Atlanta can also honor Hawerchuk for his time in that city and what he accomplished.
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I agree that it looks kind of strange. But in the end he's honoured by the franchise he played with, not by the fans in Arizona. It still makes more sense to me than having Selanne and Wheeler in the same leaderboard.
There's no perfect solution but it's probably the more logical.
It is a gimmick.
Again see how the Hurricanes handled the whalers relocation. Clean slate, much better IMO.
