Who's the best player in this tournament; Crosby, Bergeron, or Ovechkin?

[markov`]

Everything matters, including height.

Tell me how.

 

[Sparepart]

Does anyone have icetime stats for the WJHC's?

I'd be really curiour to see how much icetime Crosby is getting.

Some people here claim Crosby is producing because of his linemates (Bergeron). While I say that Crosby could be producing much more if Brent Sutter gave him some more icetime. Sutter rolls 4 lines evenly, and never gives Crosby any SH time (not because Crosby is not a quality penalty killer, but because Canada has many PK specialists... Crosby plays the PK in Rimouski). Sutter also has his players taking very short shifts, and Sidney in particular I've noticed is usually the first one off the ice on his line. I bet Crosby only played around 10 minutes in the game vs the Swiss because of all the penalties canada took.

And on the other hand, how much icetime is Ovechkin getting?

Think about that. Icetime is very important.

 

[Diaboli]

You're just lucky this board isn't in french so I can't express my ideas correctly. You are wrong in so many way, I just can't explain it in english. Too bad.

It ain't in finnish either, but I think I've made my point pretty clear.

 

[AgentNaslund*]

And yet I already mentioned I have seen him play. And I'm inbetween. How do you explain that? And please, answer something smart.

oh wow, when was the last time you saw both players play?

 

[Chaos]

It happend 2 years straight in the QMJHL, he did it as a 16 year old, doing it as a 17 year old, and hes doing it right now, as a 17 year old at the World Juniors. It has never happend? It gives everyone every right to call you ignorant.

And when we say dominate, I think they mean win scoring titles. I wouldnt say blow out everyone else in the NHL, but win the art ross trophy.

You are completely missing the point(probably on purpose I might add). He is dominating in a league of 17, 18, 19 year olds, I give him that. However, it is another thing entirely for him, at his size and age, to dominate a MENS LEAGUE like the RSL.

 

[Diaboli]

Does anyone have icetime stats for the WJHC's?

I'd be really curiour to see how much icetime Crosby is getting.

Some people here claim Crosby is producing because of his linemates (Bergeron). While I say that Crosby could be producing much more if Brent Sutter gave him some more icetime. Sutter rolls 4 lines evenly, and never gives Crosby any SH time (not because Crosby is not a quality penalty killer, but because Canada has many PK specialists... Crosby plays the PK in Rimouski). Sutter also has his players taking very short shifts, and Sidney in particular I've noticed is usually the first one off the ice on his line. Its seemed to me like Crosby only played 10 minutes in the game vs the Swiss because of all the penalties canada took.

And on the other hand, how much icetime is Ovechkin getting?

Think about that. Icetime is very important.

The question is how much time did he get at age 17.

 

[markov`]

It ain't in finnish either, but I think I've made my point pretty clear.

But after all, I think you agree that Crosby *is better than Ovechkin and that's all I say. Even if Canada team is high-powered, the fact that Crosby outscore Ovechkin while being 2 years younger means something, no matter what you say.

 

[AgentNaslund*]

Everything matters, including height.

Tell that to Martin St.Louis.

 

[Chaos]

You're just lucky this board isn't in french so I can't express my ideas correctly. You are wrong in so many way, I just can't explain it in english. Too bad.

Nice cop out

 

[markov`]

Nice cop out

Just the fact that you are arguing about a player that you have never seen play is ridiculous.

 

[Chaos]

Tell that to Martin St.Louis.

Ah bring up one of the few exceptions, and think that wins you the argument :lol .

 

[Diaboli]

oh wow, when was the last time you saw both players play?

OMG... very ontelligent answer... Didn't post anything that you shouldn't say, I'll give you that...

Don't remember when I saw Ovechkin last time. Saw Crosby at the beginning of their season, when a buddy of mine brought a Rimouski tape for e to watch.

 

[Chaos]

Just the fact that you are arguing about a player that you have never seen play is ridiculous.

Boy you are really having a hard time reading through those Crosby glasses, aren't you" I stated back a few pages that I have seen Crosby a few times. next.

 

[markov`]

Ah bring up one of the few exceptions, and think that wins you the argument :lol .

Size is overrated and that's a fact when you look at the scoring leader of EVERY leagues.

 

[markov`]

Boy you are really having a hard time reading through those Crosby glasses, aren't you" I stated back a few pages that I have seen Crosby a few times. next.

And I'm sure it isn't true. You live in Texas. I wonder how you could have seen Crosby play.

 

[AgentNaslund*]

You are completely missing the point(probably on purpose I might add). He is dominating in a league of 17, 18, 19 year olds, I give him that. However, it is another thing entirely for him, at his size and age, to dominate a MENS LEAGUE like the RSL.

AS a 19 year old, the RSL will be a cake walk. Any European leagues will be laughable for Crosby.

 

[Sparepart]

So then you would agree that it has probably never happened in the past(a 17 year old dominating a league like the RSL), so it is rather ridiculous to claim that Crosby(at his relatively small 5'10, 185lb stature) would be able to dominate a men's league. That is what this entire argument is about.

Finally, some agreement. It would be ridiculous to claim that he'd dominate a mens league, but I'll still think the possibility should not be ruled out, no matter how small the odds of it happening are.

 

[MOGiLNY]

This year in the RSL:

Frolov: 29 GP 15 G 14 A 29 PTS
Zherdev: 31 GP 13 G 15 A 28 PTS
Morozov: 35 GP 11 G 16 A 27 PTS
Semin: 30 GP 17 G 8 A 25 PTS
V. Kozlov: 30 GP 11 G 12 A 23 PTS
Ovechkin: 31 GP 10 G 12 A 22 PTS
Kovalchuk: 30 GP 11 G 10 A 21 PTS
Malkin: 34 GP 6 G 14 A 20 PTS
Petr Sykora: 26 GP 10 G 9 A 19 PTS
Jagr: 12G 7G 8A 15 PTS
Afinogenov: 18 GP 7G 5 A 12 PTS
Datsyuk: 26 GP 4G 7 A 11 PTS
Zubrus: 20GP 5G 5A 10PTS
Kovalev: 13 GP 3 G 6 A 9 PTS
Richards: 6 GP 2G 5 A 7 PTS
Lecavalier: 9 GP 2G 3A 5 PTS
Havlat: 8 GP 1G 1PT



Wow, look at that, Ovechkin's stats are on par or better with some top NHLers..

 

[Diaboli]

But after all, I think you agree that Crosby *is better than Ovechkin and that's all I say. Even if Canada team is high-powered, the fact that Crosby outscore Ovechkin while being 2 years younger means something, no matter what you say.

Still, I have now stated TWO times, that I'm on the fence about which one is better.

 

[markov`]

I don't claim to be a hockey guru or anything but look.

I've seen 25 games of Crosby and a dozen of Ovechkin. You guys have seen both of them maybe once or twice and you are arguing. I think I know a little bit about these players than you do.

 

[Chaos]

And I'm sure it isn't true. You live in Texas. I wonder how you could have seen Crosby play.

An invention called the Television.

 

[markov`]

This year in the RSL:

Frolov: 29 GP 15 G 14 A 29 PTS
Zherdev: 31 GP 13 G 15 A 28 PTS
Morozov: 35 GP 11 G 16 A 27 PTS
Semin: 30 GP 17 G 8 A 25 PTS
V. Kozlov: 30 GP 11 G 12 A 23 PTS
Ovechkin: 31 GP 10 G 12 A 22 PTS
Kovalchuk: 30 GP 11 G 10 A 21 PTS
Malkin: 34 GP 6 G 14 A 20 PTS
Petr Sykora: 26 GP 10 G 9 A 19 PTS
Jagr: 12G 7G 8A 15 PTS
Afinogenov: 18 GP 7G 5 A 12 PTS
Datsyuk: 26 GP 4G 7 A 11 PTS
Zubrus: 20GP 5G 5A 10PTS
Kovalev: 13 GP 3 G 6 A 9 PTS
Richards: 6 GP 2G 5 A 7 PTS
Lecavalier: 9 GP 2G 3A 5 PTS
Havlat: 8 GP 1G 1PT



Wow, look at that, Ovechkin's stats are on par or better with some top NHLers..

Ovechkin is better than Crosby right now even if Crosby is outscoring him in the WJC. At the same age, it's not even comparable IMO.

 

[Chaos]

AS a 19 year old, the RSL will be a cake walk. Any European leagues will be laughable for Crosby.

Once again, how can you make such a claim with absolutely no backing whatsoever?

 

[AgentNaslund*]

Ah bring up one of the few exceptions, and think that wins you the argument :lol .

Its actually good enough to win the argument already. On top of listing the top players in the world, and their size, height.

 

[Diaboli]

This year in the RSL:

Frolov: 29 GP 15 G 14 A 29 PTS
Zherdev: 31 GP 13 G 15 A 28 PTS
Morozov: 35 GP 11 G 16 A 27 PTS
Semin: 30 GP 17 G 8 A 25 PTS
V. Kozlov: 30 GP 11 G 12 A 23 PTS
Ovechkin: 31 GP 10 G 12 A 22 PTS
Kovalchuk: 30 GP 11 G 10 A 21 PTS
Malkin: 34 GP 6 G 14 A 20 PTS
Petr Sykora: 26 GP 10 G 9 A 19 PTS
Jagr: 12G 7G 8A 15 PTS
Afinogenov: 18 GP 7G 5 A 12 PTS
Datsyuk: 26 GP 4G 7 A 11 PTS
Zubrus: 20GP 5G 5A 10PTS
Kovalev: 13 GP 3 G 6 A 9 PTS
Richards: 6 GP 2G 5 A 7 PTS
Lecavalier: 9 GP 2G 3A 5 PTS
Havlat: 8 GP 1G 1PT



Wow, look at that, Ovechkin's stats are on par or better with some top NHLers..

But Crosby is better than any of these guys