Who won the Huberdeau-matthew tkachuk trade?

Who won?

  • Florida

    Votes: 224 31.0%
  • Calgary

    Votes: 386 53.5%
  • Even

    Votes: 112 15.5%

  • Total voters
    722
  • Poll closed .

Laus723

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This is a lazy statistical presentation. If the Panthers included a scoreless grinder in the trade, would the denominator be 130 instead of 96?

Anyways, I still return to “this was an even trade” even if Tkachuck >>> Huberdeau right now. Picks and prospects were unnecessary from Florida. Anyone who says otherwise is biased or relying upon hindsight.

This reply doesn't take into account both the trade itself and him coming as a signed player. We got a signed to 8 year contract Tkachuk, a deal that wasn't in place at the time, Calgary got two guys signed to 1 years deals who could've walked. Zero issue with what was given since he was signed.
 

BB88

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We are in a day and age where players like Hintz, Miller, Hertl, B. Tkachuk, Laine etc. are making 8+ million a season. Going into this season you would’ve been laughed out of the room for suggesting any of them hold a candle to Huberdeau. Unless you honestly believe the Huberdeau we are seeing today is as good as it gets for him which is extremely unlikely, he will be at worst over paid by 1-2 million per season until the back end of that contract. Calgary will pretty happily accept that window, especially considering everything is going wrong for the flames this year and theyre still sitting in a playoff spot.

Hubs will turn 30y when that contract kicks in.
With the age& contracts of Hubs/Kadri/Markstrom/Weegar/Backlund/Tanev (and coming up Lindholm contract) Calgary has a very short window to try to compete

Laine is 5 years younger, 2M cheaper and half his term.
No question Hintz everyone should take Hintz before Hubs.
Easily take Tkachuk over Hubs as well.

Again, there’s no way Calgary can be happy with Hubs right now and have to be fearing how that contract will end up looking like
 

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Well if you're basing your numbers off last year's off the chart production by the Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line where they lead the whole league in points by a line... you might be overstating the impact of Sutter's second year with the players. For example, how do you explain Mangiapane and Lindholm's decreased numbers this year under Sutter compared to their numbers last year? Seems like you are just using career years by players in their contract years last season to predict the future success of Huberdeau's second year under Sutter. But hey, you might be right in predicting that Huberdeau's production increases next year.. but at the age of 30 already next year, I can see his production falling or staying the same as this year alot sooner than the last 2 years of his contract as you predicted. I've watched Huberdeau closely this year and I haven't seen anything elite that warrants a 10.5 million contract for 8 years well into his 30's.
I mean you just named 3 players, while I named 8. Every single player saw an increase in goals per game and points per game, with the other half spending almost zero time with that top line. Lindholm went from playing with Gaudreau and Tkachuk to Dube and Toffoli, and he’s only 5 points under point per game after being point per game last year. He’s also just straight up been a point per game player over his last 42 games, and above point per game the last two months. If you think that’s a step down in his personal level of play I don’t know what to tell you.

Same with Mangiapane, his assist numbers are actually up from his previous seasons. The main difference is he shot 16, 19 and 19% again his previous 3 seasons and is shooting 9% this year. Granted he did look visibly worse to start the year out this season while separated from Backlund for the first time in a while, but he’s been looking pretty fantastic again since being reunited.

Same things could’ve been said for Gaudreau during his down years. He had 2 years in a row where he averaged a sub 70 point pace over that span, looked a lot less dynamic, and plenty of non-Flames fans and media said that’s probably just the kind of player he is now. Sutter was hired, and he still only had 24 points in his first 30 games under Sutter (65 point pace). Then he exploded the following season. Also Huberdeau’s playmaking his is claim to fame more than anything else. That kind of player tends to age extremely well. Helps his case being a late bloomer as well.
 

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Now that the all star game is over, and we’ve had significant time to judge the team, players and trade. What do we all think today? Would anyone change their vote?
 

Mez

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Florida easily. Calgary won bloated contracts for overhyped players.
 

Connor McConnor

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I voted "Even" and would probably stick with it.. for now. I do expect Huberdeau to rebound and he should be good for atleast the first half of the contract. Weegar has also been pretty good, but Calgary would probably like more production to back up his nice underlying metrics.

If Huberdeau doesn't bounce back to becoming at least a 90 pt player this is Florida by a large margin.
 

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Huberdeau is the real winner after the contract he got
And Florida is the likeliest loser going from Presidents trophy to likely out of the playoffs.

As was expected.

Calgary has been quite poor as well, but they are not that far out, in a terrible division/conference, and their best players haven't even played well yet.

Florida has absolutely maxed out their expectations from Tkachuck and yet are still terrible.

As was expected.

Their razor thin blue line lost a major piece and replaced it with ether.
That's shown up all over the ice this whole year.

Next year they likely become better, but we all knew this was going to happen as soon as the trade happened.

Not to mention that there is a 1st round pick going to Cgy, from a team missing the playoffs......
 

BB88

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And Florida is the likeliest loser going from Presidents trophy to likely out of the playoffs.

As was expected.

Calgary has been quite poor as well, but they are not that far out, in a terrible division/conference, and their best players haven't even played well yet.

Florida has absolutely maxed out their expectations from Tkachuck and yet are still terrible.

As was expected.

Their razor thin blue line lost a major piece and replaced it with ether.
That's shown up all over the ice this whole year.

Next year they likely become better, but we all knew this was going to happen as soon as the trade happened.

Not to mention that there is a 1st round pick going to Cgy, from a team missing the playoffs......

This has always been a retool year for Florida.

They were supposed to take a step back, not this big one though.

They’ll get 12-15M of useless cap off their books next summer& their cap situation will improve by a mile in the near future
 
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And Florida is the likeliest loser going from Presidents trophy to likely out of the playoffs.

As was expected.

Calgary has been quite poor as well, but they are not that far out, in a terrible division/conference, and their best players haven't even played well yet.

Florida has absolutely maxed out their expectations from Tkachuck and yet are still terrible.

As was expected.

Their razor thin blue line lost a major piece and replaced it with ether.
That's shown up all over the ice this whole year.

Next year they likely become better, but we all knew this was going to happen as soon as the trade happened.

Not to mention that there is a 1st round pick going to Cgy, from a team missing the playoffs......
A bunch of excuses for the flames.

Maybe their best players just aren’t very good?
 

TheImpatientPanther

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And Florida is the likeliest loser going from Presidents trophy to likely out of the playoffs.

As was expected.

Calgary has been quite poor as well, but they are not that far out, in a terrible division/conference, and their best players haven't even played well yet.

Florida has absolutely maxed out their expectations from Tkachuck and yet are still terrible.

As was expected.

Their razor thin blue line lost a major piece and replaced it with ether.
That's shown up all over the ice this whole year.

Next year they likely become better, but we all knew this was going to happen as soon as the trade happened.

Not to mention that there is a 1st round pick going to Cgy, from a team missing the playoffs......

Flames fan?
 

biturbo19

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So far, it doesn't really seem like either team "won" this trade. I think both teams came out the other side of this deal...a little bit worse. Which is weird.
 

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So far, it doesn't really seem like either team "won" this trade. I think both teams came out the other side of this deal...a little bit worse. Which is weird.

Nah, it was an absolute fleecing for Florida. Not even close.

While it is true both teams look a little worse... The big difference is Tkachuk is on a fantastic contract, while both Huberdeau and Weegar(Though Huberdeau in particular) are now on completely awful contracts that will prohibit Calgary from being a contender for the next 8 years essentially.

Florida wins by getting themselves out of those contracts and instead getting the much better player, the younger player, and signing him to the significantly better contract. They're a little weaker this year because of the significant cap crunch that's impacted their ability to build a decent Defense. Starting next year that cap crunch becomes less of a nuisance for them and will allow them to start building a better Defense again.


Calgary would have been much better off just committing to the full rebuild and selling both Huberdeau and Weegar off for massive hauls last summer. They would have easily gotten a 1st + Top prospect + for both guys and essentially could have went into this year tanking hard for Bedard while having 3+ 1st round picks in the draft. A crazy jump start on what could have only been a ~2 year rebuild depending on how the lottery unfolded for them.


Instead, they wont be a true Cup contender for a decade or more now.
 

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And Florida is the likeliest loser going from Presidents trophy to likely out of the playoffs.

As was expected.

Calgary has been quite poor as well, but they are not that far out, in a terrible division/conference, and their best players haven't even played well yet.

Florida has absolutely maxed out their expectations from Tkachuck and yet are still terrible.

As was expected.

Their razor thin blue line lost a major piece and replaced it with ether.
That's shown up all over the ice this whole year.

Next year they likely become better, but we all knew this was going to happen as soon as the trade happened.

Not to mention that there is a 1st round pick going to Cgy, from a team missing the playoffs......

If you like judging trades by the play of everyone who wasn’t involved, then sure.
 

Dr Beinfest

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And Florida is the likeliest loser going from Presidents trophy to likely out of the playoffs.

As was expected.

Calgary has been quite poor as well, but they are not that far out, in a terrible division/conference, and their best players haven't even played well yet.

Florida has absolutely maxed out their expectations from Tkachuck and yet are still terrible.

As was expected.

Their razor thin blue line lost a major piece and replaced it with ether.
That's shown up all over the ice this whole year.

Next year they likely become better, but we all knew this was going to happen as soon as the trade happened.

Not to mention that there is a 1st round pick going to Cgy, from a team missing the playoffs......
What a weird take. You’re comparing Florida and Calgary, not Huberdeau/Weegar and Tkachuck.
 

BB88

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So far, it doesn't really seem like either team "won" this trade. I think both teams came out the other side of this deal...a little bit worse. Which is weird.

This was a retool trade for Florida.

Now their oldest core player is 27y and they’ll drop 12-15M dead cap next offseason.

They are far better build for longterm than Calgary
 

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This was a retool trade for Florida.

Now their oldest core player is 27y and they’ll drop 12-15M dead cap next offseason.

They are far better build for longterm than Calgary
The Panthers have no prospects or picks. Good luck with that.
 

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The Panthers have no prospects or picks. Good luck with that.
Flames are the 6th oldest team in the league, have very limited cap space and no real prospects either and isn’t known as hotspot for free agents.

Florida’s core is locked up and in their prime and they have multiple good young players on the team already who will only get better.

As a entirely neutral fan, i don’t see how Flames are in a even remotely better position.
 

Tkachuk Norris

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Flames are the 6th oldest team in the league, have very limited cap space and no real prospects either and isn’t known as hotspot for free agents.

Florida’s core is locked up and in their prime and they have multiple good young players on the team already who will only get better.

As an entirely neutral fan, i don’t see how Flames are in an even remotely better position.
Hey I’m not saying the Flames are in a great position. But the flames prospect pool has four solid future NHL players (Poirier, Coronato, Pelletier and Zary) as well as an elite prospect in Dustin Wolf. And all their picks.

Bragging you’re better off than the Flames is something a fan of a terrible franchise would boast about. Neither team looks like they’ll be contenders anytime soon
 

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