Speculation: Who gets fired now?

[JKG33]

Keefe 100%.

Dubas im 50/50 on. I think you can make a decent case for him and against him. Maybe wouldnt be the worst thing to get a new perspective and process.

I don't see how you can make an argument for Dubas at all.

Even if you think every single trade he's made is a massive win that no other GM could possibly make, the results still speak for themselves. 1 playoff rd win in 5 seasons? Losing in a play-in series? Losing in the 1st rd after playing in the easiest division in 60 years? Losing to a f***ing zamboni driver?

Everyone loves to talk about how great of a regular season team this is, but even then all they have to show it is a pathetic Canadian division banner.

 

[HellasLEAF]

For me it's fire Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe.

It's definitely fire Dubas and Keefe for me. So then I think, why keep Shanny? Rookie President that signed off on all this.

Guys it's ok. Better management than them have been fired.

 

[JKG33]

For me it's fire Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe.

It's definitely fire Dubas and Keefe for me. So then I think, why keep Shanny? Rookie President that signed off on all this.

Guys it's ok. Better management than them have been fired.

Dale Tallon builds a cup winner... fired. Dean Lombardi, builds a 2x cup winner, flew too close to the sun, fired. Stan Bowman, even before the incident Hawks fans wanted him gone. Jim Rutherford.... ya'll get my point.

If these champions can be fired, Dubas and his abysmal record certainly can be too

 

[Buds17]

I feel as though all three return if it's believed that expectations were met (winning a round) or that all three have to go if it's believed that bowing out to an underdog is unacceptable. I'd have the most confidence in a Shanahan return based primarily on the term left on his contract. I'm not certain of Dubas and Keefe experiencing different fates with the team.

 

[Trapper]

Dubas and this core have had 7 tries.
They finally got by round 1 still not showing up for half of it with the same issues and got bounced quickly after that.
Enough.

 

[Bomber0104]

Dubas isn't fireable is he?

He isn't even an employee next season unless they re-sign him?

And with that said, we need a "Do Not Re-sign Dubas" thread..

 

[HolyCrap]

I’m oddly not super upset. Disappointed for sure but I’m not empty like last couple series. Looking forward to seeing some changes. Keefe and Dubas I’d like gone. Then start chatting with players seeing what moves can be made. Maybe Mathews wants to move elsewhere like Tkuchuk so sign see what out there. Same with Mathews. If Tavares seems open to something though unlikely look at whatever moves makes sense. Leave nothing off the table.

 

[HofT]

In the end guys, the Cap has barely budged since we signed our core. No one expected that to happen. A lot of this is bad luck.

Think of it this way, once our core's contract is up, they'll probably get signed for roughly the same amount they have now (besides Tavares). Plus, the cap will increase

 

[Steven1562]

All of them. Enough is enough. We won a round yay! Not good enough. I don't care the goal is to win the cup and this group has failed.

 

[Pebble live]

Dubas will get one more coach. Unless he tells MLSE he doesn't want to make a coaching change then they'll fire them both.

Dubas inherited Babcock. It's pretty common for a GM to get two coaches.

 

[JKG33]

In the end guys, the Cap has barely budged since we signed our core. No one expected that to happen. A lot of this is bad luck.

Think of it this way, once our core's contract is up, they'll probably get signed for roughly the same amount they have now (besides Tavares). Plus, the cap will increase

On one hand yea you're right, but on the other the cap not going up affects every single team equally.

Matthews and Marner were paid more than every single comparable. That's not bad luck, that's pure incompetence

 

[Bomber0104]

In the end guys, the Cap has barely budged since we signed our core. No one expected that to happen. A lot of this is bad luck.

Think of it this way, once our core's contract is up, they'll probably get signed for roughly the same amount they have now (besides Tavares). Plus, the cap will increase

The cap moving or staying flat doesn't change the fact that when those contracts were signed, they were awful.

There's so many ways this can be shown using simple economic metrics and statistics, and you won't want to see how bad it is after the season and playoffs Matthews' just farted out.

So I'd just stop there if I was you.

 

[IPS]

I remember earlier this season people were saying it was a mistake to not re-sign Dubas mid season.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Shanahan stays because I think the board loves him, and the other two go.

 

[HofT]

On one hand yea you're right, but on the other the cap not going up affects every single team equally.

Matthews and Marner were paid more than every single comparable. That's not bad luck, that's pure incompetence

The cap moving or staying flat doesn't change the fact that when those contracts were signed, they were awful.

There's so many ways this can be shown using simple economic metrics and statistics, and you won't want to see how bad it is after the season and playoffs Matthews' just farted out.

So I'd just stop there if I was you.

For sure. However, due to their underwhelming outcomes, and once their contracts expire, they are unlikely to receive a salary raise. We could have them at low value and sign the supporting cast they truly need. Plus Tavares will significantly be lowered.

We really could have a lot of cap room with the same core in the next couple years.

 

[phillipmike]

Dubas will get one more coach. Unless he tells MLSE he doesn't want to make a coaching change then they'll fire them both.

Dubas inherited Babcock. It's pretty common for a GM to get two coaches.

Common? Based on what? JFJ inherited Quinn and hired Maurice. Fletcher inherited Maurice and hired Wilson. Burke inherited Wilson and hired Carlyle. Nonis inherited Carlyle and he pseudo hired Horachek. Shanny hired Babcock. Lou inherited Babcock.

Literally the last 5 GMs got less years with the leafs and only got to hire 1 coach. Dubas has gotten 5 years, he doesn’t deserve another shot to stick around and pick the next coach.

 

[JKG33]

For sure. However, due to their underwhelming outcomes, and once their contracts expire, they are unlikely to receive a salary raise. We could have them at low value and sign the supporting cast they truly need. Plus Tavares will significantly be lowered.

We really could have a lot of cap room with the same core in the next couple years.

Theres no doubt in my mind they get raises. Teams unfortunately pay dearly for regular season points. However it never translates to playoff success.

Chicago didn't win anything after Toews & Kane got their 3rd contracts. LA didn't win anything after Kopitar & Doughty got their 3rd contracts.

Dubas already overpaid M&M on their 2nd contracts and didn't win anything, no way that changes on their 3rd.

 

[peconcan]

Look at Sakic and Yzerman, great gms. St Louis coaching Montreal. It’s time we take that approach. Gilmour as gm and have Wendal behind the bench

 

[thewave]

Dubas will get one more coach. Unless he tells MLSE he doesn't want to make a coaching change then they'll fire them both.

Dubas inherited Babcock. It's pretty common for a GM to get two coaches.

He had two coaches. He kept the failed coach after Montreal. That's two right there so it should be the end of him.

 

[HofT]

Theres no doubt in my mind they get raises. Teams unfortunately pay dearly for regular season points. However it never translates to playoff success.

Chicago didn't win anything after Toews & Kane got their 3rd contracts. LA didn't win anything after Kopitar & Doughty got their 3rd contracts.

Dubas already overpaid M&M on their 2nd contracts and didn't win anything, no way that changes on their 3rd.

I mean, they could join a non-winning team but playoffs teams are on tight budgets. If any of the core want to go to Colombus like Gaudreau did then who really cares, let them walk.

And Toews/Kane, Kopitar/Doughty had already won though.

 

[Antropovsky]

Keefes post fame was cringe. Didn't talk to his team after the loss, then proceeded to overly praise Panthers for taking out the best team "ever"(Boston)...getting elite goaltending, a too offensive team in the season who in the playoffs that learned great defense.... Lol... Leafs had a great season, a the that could've won the cup, just needed a bounce or two this series..but there are 7 teams left that will all be disappointed and lose.

Lol....golden stuff. There you have it.. Just another year of bad luck.

 

[WillNy29]

rumour has it Shanny didn't want to acquire pieces that play with a big edge; he's apparently not a fan of that. its why Dubas and him have been fighting this season. There's also a rumour floating around that Dubas likely becomes president

 

[hfman]

Not sure but at least Auston has time to go buy a new purse.

he's looking at the bright side

the party at the cottage starts tomorrow

 

[jaric1862]

Keefe is for sure gone

Dubas is probably gone but he will be tough to replace. Only guy outside of Toronto I think has the pedigree to run this team is Brad Treliving and apparently the Flames are blocking him from being interviewed until late June

 

[Pebble live]

He had two coaches. He kept the failed coach after Montreal. That's two right there so it should be the end of him.

No its pretty well known he wanted to let Babcock go earlier and Shanny nixed it.