When will Matthews win his first Rocket?

[Dekes For Days]

In the Kovalchuk comparison above, 33% of his goals have come via PP versus 23% of Matthews'. Ilya had 11 seasons where he got over 4 minutes PP time per game, 7 seasons of over 5 and believe it or not one where he got 8:11!!!

Matthews has once topped 3 (3:12).

Yeah, it's pretty comical that some still stick to raw goals for their conclusions when we see discrepancies like this:

PP TOI/GP, first 4 seasons of career

Kovalchuk: 6:05
Ovechkin: 5:49
Matthews: 2:36

Literally less than half.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I'd sacrifice it, for a team trophy.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I’m not sure he ever will. There are better trigger men than him beyond Ovie

Such as?

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Such as?

50 goal scorer Leon Draisaitl for instince.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

he actually did play center quite a bit, especially come the 2nd half of the season

Yes he played some this season. Not sure anywhere near enough to vault him into "top centre" conversations. By the by, I am saying this because it''s the exact argument used against Leaf players for years. I like consistency. He becomes a centre 80%+ of the time, fair game.

 

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Next season.

Matthews has scored more goals than any other player in the NHL since he started other than OV. He is by far the very best young goal scorer in the game today. The stats prove it, opinion means nothing. The #’s do not lie.

 

[Pyrophorus]

50 goal scorer Leon Draisaitl for instince.

Not last season.

 

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50 goal scorer Leon Draisaitl for instince.

Matthews has scored more goals than Draisaitl and McDavid since entering the league. FACT

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

50 goal scorer Leon Draisaitl for instince.

11 less goals in 31 more games played (since Matthews started), almost 2 minutes more ice time per game? Finished behind Matthews in scoring 3 out of 4 years? Do we have a different definition of "better"?

 

[Varan]

Yeah, it's pretty comical that some still stick to raw goals for their conclusions when we see discrepancies like this:

PP TOI/GP, first 4 seasons of career

Kovalchuk: 6:05
Ovechkin: 5:49
Matthews: 2:36

Literally less than half.

PPs were handed out like candy in Ovechkin’s first 4 years. I believe Crosby had half of his points on the PP in his first year which is absolutely insanity. I don’t really know where you’re going with this. It was a low scoring league when Matthews was drafted. It just went up in 2019 (or a year ago).

How much longer are you going to hold PP time against other players for Matthews not winning the Rocket or being considered the best goal scorer in the league? I wonder what Pastas PP TOI/GP was this past season. It’s clearly below OV yet he still won the Richard.

Edit: He was 15th. Also, I found out that out of the 9 times that OV has led the league in goals, only four times he led the league in PP TOI/GP (13-14, 17-19). There goes your notion of him winning solely due to PP time. Does it help? Sure. Does it mean you will win if you have it. Nope.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Not last season.

Matthews has scored more goals than Draisaitl and McDavid since entering the league. FACT

11 less goals in 31 more games played (since Matthews started), almost 2 minutes more ice time per game? Finished behind Matthews in scoring 3 out of 4 years? Do we have a different definition of "better"?

I mean, sure. But Draisaitl is a 50 goal scorer, something Matthews has never done yet. The rocket is a tough trophy to get so while I am sure Auston will be a contender, I don’t think he will ever win it.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

On topic of the thread, I think he's as close to a lock as anyone who has yet to win one to eventually get one. I wouldnt be at all surprised if he wins multiple over his career. IMO the 2nd best goal scorer in the league. Lots of competition, though, and everything kinda needs to go right in order to win one.

Doesn't Draisatl have to actually be playing centre to qualify for this list? He can but rarely does.

You realize he took like 300 more faceoffs than Matthews did, right? 400 more than Mackinnon, 300 more than Sid, 500 more than McDavid....

He's 15th in the league in faceoffs over the past 3 years, the only guys on that list who have taken more faceoffs than Draisaitl in that span are Crosby & Barkov

 

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11 less goals in 31 more games played (since Matthews started), almost 2 minutes more ice time per game? Finished behind Matthews in scoring 3 out of 4 years? Do we have a different definition of "better"?

Matthews is the better goal scorer. The stats don’t lie.

How dare you post the facts. That is not allowed. Matthews sux.

 

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I mean, sure. But Draisaitl is a 50 goal scorer, something Matthews has never done yet. The rocket is a tough trophy to get, while I am sure Auston will be a contender, I don’t think he will ever win it.

Contender? Lol

Sure buddy. No one buys that.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Yeah, it's pretty comical that some still stick to raw goals for their conclusions when we see discrepancies like this:

PP TOI/GP, first 4 seasons of career

Kovalchuk: 6:05
Ovechkin: 5:49
Matthews: 2:36

Literally less than half.

I'm not even sure the whole Leafs team gets as much PP time per game as Kovalchuk did.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Contender? Lol

Sure buddy. No one buys that.

You read what I said? Try again. Auston was a contender this past season.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

On topic of the thread, I think he's as close to a lock as anyone who has yet to win one to eventually get one. I wouldnt be at all surprised if he wins multiple over his career. IMO the 2nd best goal scorer in the league. Lots of competition, though, and everything kinda needs to go right in order to win one.

You realize he took like 300 more faceoffs than Matthews did, right? 400 more than Mackinnon, 300 more than Sid, 500 more than McDavid....

He's 15th in the league in faceoffs over the past 3 years, the only guys on that list who have taken more faceoffs than Draisaitl in that span are Crosby & Barkov

Are you of the opinion that faceoffs is what determines your position?

 

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You read what I said? Try again.

Try again? Your argument is flawed, failed.

FACT, Matthews has scored more goals than Drai and McDavid since he stepped foot in the ice. No argument.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Are you of the opinion that faceoffs is what determines your position?

Faceoffs are a big part pf being a centre, so yee.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I mean, sure. But Draisaitl is a 50 goal scorer, something Matthews has never done yet. The rocket is a tough trophy to get so while I am sure Auston will be a contender, I don’t think he will ever win it.

No doubt, never would have gotten there this year.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Yeah, it's pretty comical that some still stick to raw goals for their conclusions when we see discrepancies like this:

PP TOI/GP, first 4 seasons of career

Kovalchuk: 6:05
Ovechkin: 5:49
Matthews: 2:36

Literally less than half.

It's strange how you're not pushing your ES/60 production angle right now. You were always quick to use that as your "proof" before because it had "proper context". It couldn't be because Matthews had a lower ES goals/60 last year than Ovechkin, can it?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Are you of the opinion that faceoffs is what determines your position?

Not entirely, and I'm aware that he switches off, but he plays far more center than people give him credit for. He's spent plenty of time as the C on his line.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

No doubt, never would have gotten there this year.

You never know but what we all know is that he didn't hit 50.

Try again? Your argument is flawed, failed.

FACT, Matthews has scored more goals that Drai and McDavid since he stepped foot in the ice. No argument.

FACT: Leon is a 50 goal scorer, something Auston has yet to accomplish.
FACT: I said Auston matthews will be a contender for the trophy like he has been for the past couple of seasons. No clue how that is flawed in any way lmao

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Faceoffs are a big part pf being a centre, so yee.

A part.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Not entirely, and I'm aware that he switches off, but he plays far more center than people give him credit for. He's spent plenty of time as the C on his line.

Again, for me it's holding people (players) to the same standards.