What would it take to retain JVR?

[rumman]

he's toast, you don't call one of your players a "own rental" if there was a chance of him being back.

 

[GoonieFace]

He will get more than hes worth unfortunately. These kinds of contracts are what cripple good teams.

 

[IBeL34f]

Opportunity cost. Re-signing JvR takes us out of the convo on guys like Tavares, Doughty, etc.

Yeah, I've set my sights higher for the time being - If we swing and miss at guys like Tavares/Carlson/Thornton/Kovalchuk, etc., I wouldn't mind revisiting JVR, if he's willing to sign cheap.

 

[highslot]

Why would you want to weaken the team for the Playoffs? With that reasoning ALL teams would be sellers at the trade deadline. The goal is to win the Stanley Cup.. not asset management. I think some of you forget that some times.

is the goal to win the cup this year, or continuing to build a dynasty? are we still in the rebuilding stage or finished? I think we are still in the rebuilding stage and are building on making the playoffs last year.

you might think that the rebuild is finished and this is the year for the cup run, and i'm fine if you disagree with me. but we aren't in the rebuilding stage and gunning for the cup as true contenders at the same time. that was burke's mistake.

however, even if this is the year, we aren't losing by replacing him with kapanen, who is better 2 way imo., and bringing up johnsson. jvr is already playing 3rd line min and pp specialty min.

replacing bozak isn't a step backwards either; we lose his faceoff and shootout ability, but we also lose his garbage d zone coverage and play which can cost us games. marleau is net neutral imo, and nylander is better than bozak imo in the minutes he's played. this is assuming am is in the playoffs.

 

[Clark4Ever]

JVR has a unique skill set that should allow him to be a productive player for many years. I would strongly consider re-signing him if the AAV and term are reasonable.

 

[LeafFever]

JVR has a unique skill set that should allow him to be a productive player for many years. I would strongly consider re-signing him if the AAV and term are reasonable.

It's just hard to sign him for 8 years for that one thing.

 

[Jozay]

6x6, probably.

Doubt hes back.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Everyone saw him coast/out muscled on the Debrusk goal?

Thats why he wont be re-signed. Is he even a plus player? No he gives up more goals than he gets 5 on 5.

 

[NikoPopp]

is the goal to win the cup this year, or continuing to build a dynasty? are we still in the rebuilding stage or finished? I think we are still in the rebuilding stage and are building on making the playoffs last year.

you might think that the rebuild is finished and this is the year for the cup run, and i'm fine if you disagree with me. but we aren't in the rebuilding stage and gunning for the cup as true contenders at the same time. that was burke's mistake.

however, even if this is the year, we aren't losing by replacing him with kapanen, who is better 2 way imo., and bringing up johnsson. jvr is already playing 3rd line min and pp specialty min.

replacing bozak isn't a step backwards either; we lose his faceoff and shootout ability, but we also lose his garbage d zone coverage and play which can cost us games. marleau is net neutral imo, and nylander is better than bozak imo in the minutes he's played. this is assuming am is in the playoffs.

We are not "gunning for the cup" when all we did is trade a 2nd and some depth prospects at the deadline. Gunning would be giving up first rounders or top prospects.

However, we currently sit at 4th in the entire league so what kind of message does it send to our young team that despite accomplishing that, we are going to give up and trade away guys? We're not cup favourites but it's a tight league and if Anderson stands on his head we have a shot at it.

Also, if we win a series or two it's valuable experience for the young guys.

I think you greatly undervalue what JVR brings to the team in terms of consistent goal scoring.

 

[Menzinger]

Teams have gotten a little bit smarter on the UFA market I’d say he probably gets in the range of 6×6/7.

However, I do not believe he will be a leaf next season. Babcock has cut down his usage and he is already incredibly sheltered (not a player s team invests 6ish million on). Mirtle has also said that there have currently been no contract talks between his agent and the Leafs.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

You realize it's cap league. So if Matthews. Marner and Nylander all agree to sign for 2m, I'm happy with resigning JVR,
Reality is, only so much money and JVR isn't going to be a Leaf next year.

 

[TorontoTrades]

6.5-7 on open market.

5.5 is probably the limit for Toronto.

 

[8816 others]

We are not "gunning for the cup" when all we did is trade a 2nd and some depth prospects at the deadline. Gunning would be giving up first rounders or top prospects.

However, we currently sit at 4th in the entire league so what kind of message does it send to our young team that despite accomplishing that, we are going to give up and trade away guys? We're not cup favourites but it's a tight league and if Anderson stands on his head we have a shot at it.

Also, if we win a series or two it's valuable experience for the young guys.

I think you greatly undervalue what JVR brings to the team in terms of consistent goal scoring.

Holding onto JVR, Bozak, Komarov, etc with expiring contracts so that they may walk at the end of the season, is effectively giving up assets to gun for the Cup now. Unless you intend to resign them, you've missed out on any number of picks, prospects, or roster players with a future with the team.

 

[sparxx87]

A coach who doesn’t care about effort or defense.

Babcock is under contract, which means JVR won’t be. Rel gud pro, rel nice man, but he’s not in the plans.

 

[Barilko14]

Yeah, I've set my sights higher for the time being - If we swing and miss at guys like Tavares/Carlson/Thornton/Kovalchuk, etc., I wouldn't mind revisiting JVR, if he's willing to sign cheap.

Pretty doubtful he waits around sitting on his hands while we talk to several other options.

 

[IBeL34f]

Pretty doubtful he waits around sitting on his hands while we talk to several other options.

Well, no, I imagine he's probably vacationing during the discussion period leading up to July 1st. He's a millionaire, no need to be bored in the summer.

 

[Legion34]

he's toast, you don't call one of your players a "own rental" if there was a chance of him being back.

Did management do that?

 

[The CyNick]

Well, let's hope JvR scores the Stanley Cup winning goal as his departing gift!

If management truly believes that this team, this season, is ready to make a playoff march to the Stanley Cup finals, then, why oh why did they do NOTHING to shore up a weak defense?

Sure the prices may have been high, but, if this team is really on the verge of Stanley Cup greatness, then, I would have thought an upgrade on defense should have been a priority!

I guess Polak and Carrick will both do their very best impersonations of Orr and Bourque!

Weak D got us to 4th overall. Take it down a notch

 

[rumman]

Did management do that?

pretty sure that's how Lou described one of their strategies for the upcoming trade deadline.

 

[Tak7]

7x7 + another 4-5 minutes of TOI/night

He's not back. The Leafs barely use him, and he doesn't have a great 2-way game on a team that is already pretty average defensively.

 

[Tak7]

he's toast, you don't call one of your players a "own rental" if there was a chance of him being back.

The Leafs have never called him their "own rental"

 

[Al14]

Weak D got us to 4th overall. Take it down a notch

We shall see just how far in the playoff we go with a sub-par D. I hope we can do as well as Pitts!

 

[Tak7]

Did management do that?

Dave Poulin at TSN called him that, and they ran with that term on the quiz master the next day, so it became something.

The Leafs have never called him that.

 

[Reydin]

pretty sure that's how Lou described one of their strategies for the upcoming trade deadline.

Nope, Darren Voices in my head Dredger

Dreger Report: Examining ‘own rentals’ and players in play - Article - TSN

 

[nuck]

Teams have gotten a little bit smarter on the UFA market I’d say he probably gets in the range of 6×6/7.

However, I do not believe he will be a leaf next season. Babcock has cut down his usage and he is already incredibly sheltered (not a player s team invests 6ish million on). Mirtle has also said that there have currently been no contract talks between his agent and the Leafs.

That is probably the key. A chimp could see that he doesn't mesh with the teams current needs, or address their real weaknesses. As a trigger man on the top line of a strong offense, I think he can get 70pts a year. The Leafs don't need him for that. Tough luck for him that Marner and Nylander came along but there it is. Even Babs realizes it and you know he has an eclectic taste in who he uses. A lw in LA, Edm or Nashvile and he would be getting the use that he best deserves.