OppositeLocK
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What would it take to retain JVR?
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ShaneFalco
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Too much for the minutes he plays, and how sheltered he is.
Plus he'd get a full NTC no doubt and a retirement contract.
Time to move on
Plus he'd get a full NTC no doubt and a retirement contract.
Time to move on
MattySnipes
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He'll get at least 6 million on the open market so I don't see him giving us a discount to stay on. I am sure management is already aware so they seem they will be ready to move on. Expect an internal option to replace JVR such as Johansson or Kapanen.
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Al14
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If management truly has no plans of keeping JvR, they should have traded him for assets before this!
Terrible asset management to let a player, that has some value, just walk for no return at all!
JMHO.
Terrible asset management to let a player, that has some value, just walk for no return at all!
JMHO.
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Guessing a 6-7 year term at an AAV in and around (below more than above) 6M. Perhaps more of a restrictive NTC than what he currently has as well.
If anything, Marleau's addition potentially helps make JVR expendable, with the added ability of playing C when needed.
Can't dismiss much given what opportunities may or may not materialize on the trade or UFA markets, but I'm not too confident of a re-signing right now.
If anything, Marleau's addition potentially helps make JVR expendable, with the added ability of playing C when needed.
Can't dismiss much given what opportunities may or may not materialize on the trade or UFA markets, but I'm not too confident of a re-signing right now.
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Why would you want to weaken the team for the Playoffs? With that reasoning ALL teams would be sellers at the trade deadline. The goal is to win the Stanley Cup.. not asset management. I think some of you forget that some times.
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Very interested to see his impact during playoffs. Could decide everything right there
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Well, let's hope JvR scores the Stanley Cup winning goal as his departing gift!
If management truly believes that this team, this season, is ready to make a playoff march to the Stanley Cup finals, then, why oh why did they do NOTHING to shore up a weak defense?
Sure the prices may have been high, but, if this team is really on the verge of Stanley Cup greatness, then, I would have thought an upgrade on defense should have been a priority!
I guess Polak and Carrick will both do their very best impersonations of Orr and Bourque!
ShaneFalco
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He really should have been traded last year. But now with the team doing so well, they decided to hang on to him, which I can understand. However, if they go out early, they will be criticized and deservedly so
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We are supposed to be rebuilding, we are supposed to be experiencing pain. We should still be collecting assets in the form of picks and prospects. We are ahead of schedule. Playoffs are just a bonus. They help create a winning atmosphere and help them gain experience, but they shouldn't be the end goal right now. The goal is indeed to win the Stanley Cup. Remaining competitive for a longer time gives us a better chance at winning. I would rather have 5-8 seasons of contending than 3-5. We are not a team that should be letting assets walk for nothing.
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Notice how teams making the playoffs don't sell their assets for picks like teams that miss the playoffs do?
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You hit the nail on the head. A lot of people seem to forget that more than anything, every NHL team wants to make the playoffs. That's where the big bucks are made for the franchises. We also got JVR for Luke Schenn, so it's the equivalent of letting a 4th or 5th round pick walk. Since Shanahan took over, management has done a fantastic job with getting great returns on assets in general. They also found a way to get rid of absolutely toxic ones. Like shipping Clarkson to Columbus, and trading Phaneuf without retaining any salary. But you're not going to get a return on every single player, when the playoffs are in sight. If players like Bozak/JVR/Komarov sign with another team after this season, then they let an undrafted player, a player who was basically traded for a guy who'd qualify as a 4th-5th rounder now, and a guy drafted in the 6th round walk without getting a return.
You're not always going to get a return on every player. What's most important to MLSE is being consistently competitive to bring in the money. Revenues generated from being in the playoffs are far more important than getting a few draft picks.
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But on the flip side, some teams hang on to guys for too long instead of making changes in the off-season
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Opportunity cost. Re-signing JvR takes us out of the convo on guys like Tavares, Doughty, etc.
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He is not a very good ES performer and getting very limited minutes which doesn't show a lot of confidence in him. They have various other options who would be at least equal for ES so they basically retain him as a pp specialist. The Leafs do not have a forward in the NHL top 90 for pp TOI or a forward in the top 40 for TOI (and the top guy is Hyman). JVR leading the club in pp minutes mostly prevents the four best young forwards from edging into the top 60 TOI pp guys along side of players like Panarin, Teravainen, and Tkachuk. He is good injury insurance and obviously if all the forwards are under 18:00 per game everyone is well rested, but he doesn't bring anything special to the table.
In a year where they have to go through Boston and then Tampa just to get Pittsburgh it seems like a silly time to invest in "own rentals". If he shoots the lights out and they do get to Pittsburgh it will seem like a genius move, and if they go out in the first round it will look pretty stupid. The proof is in the results so I am obviously hoping to be proven wrong. As far as re-upping him, it creates long term cap pressure for a redundant product. As unnecessary as Tavares would be, he is a game breaker and not just a complimentary piece, and there are potentially good UFA D men that would make the club better than anything JVR can contribute. As a top line player on a club with less forward depth he could excel, but he will never see that as a Leaf.
So, it's all or nothing then? Either the team is 80% certain they are going to win the cup this year, and should trade any and all available assets to guarantee that, or they should sell off every expiring contract?
They are a top 5-6 team in the league this year, and have as good a chance as any to win the cup. There is still, at best, a 10-15% chance of that actually happening.
Management did exactly what I wanted them to do. Acquiring Plekanec without giving up any major assets shores up the 4th line, and makes this team fairly complete. This slightly improves their chances of winning the cup this year, while not costing any significant assets.
Acquiring a defenseman that would have any significant impact on winning the cup would've required significantly mortgaging the future. I'm very glad they didn't do that.
Similarly, trading JVR at the deadline would've been a terrible decision - it's a terrible signal to the team that has worked hard all year to get to where they are. It's a terrible signal to the fans - we're not actually serious about winning. Sure, a 1st, a 4th and mid-range prospect would be nice, but there are only so many times you have a team that has a reasonable shot at the cup, and throwing that away for lottery tickets is not a reasonable expectation.
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The goal of making the playoffs, instead of the Stanley Cup, is what kept this team out of the playoffs for a decade.
