What the hell happened to Ottawa?

[WolfgangPuck]

Just wait until playoff time
Guy will get the wipe out and Sens will play the trap style for the playoffs again

 

[Raym11]

If Karlsson is bad the Senators are non existent


He's bad right now, slumping. The real Senators are showing

 

[joe dirte]

Just wait until playoff time
Guy will get the wipe out and Sens will play the trap style for the playoffs again

they're not making the playoffs.

 

[7even]

So apparently this happened in Winnipeg:

The waffles will follow

 

[iBELEAF]

Wasn't there a thread talking about how bad Boucher has been in each of the second season hes coached?

 

[Zybalto]

Karlsson is going to take some time to get back to his level. That injury was a major one, and I've seen players who take many many months to get their game back. It may not even come back this season.

As Karlsson goes, so do the sens. Its as simple as that.

I dont know how he goes 17 points in 11 games before falling off the face of the earth though.

Wonder if he had a setback.

 

[Teamoo]

Goaltending. That's the difference from last year. (See the Oilers)

 

[NyQuil]

Bubble team bubbling.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

How about that Duchene trade. Believe in 10 games is 1 goal, 1 assist, minus nine. Sens traded for the guys 3 years ago. Turris 10 games, 8 points, think a plus 4 with Preds.

Preds are also a very good team. Sens arent

 

[Frank Drebin]

one would hope it's just the lack of team chemistry with a new big acquisition and a bad slump but I've no idea what the underlying stats look like for the sens

DAT username

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

They got beat by a better team.

 

[tntkid]

Ottawa will be fine.

They were only 1 game away from going to the Stanley Cup final last year.
I wish they won the cup instead of Pittsburgh.

 

[Mickey Marner]

• They out-performed their gf/ga pythagorean expectation last season
• Boucher has a one year shelf life
• Anderson alternates good/bad years
• They traded their 1C mid-season
• Karlsson had off-season surgery

 

[Frank Drebin]

Their superstar hasn't been a superstar, understandably so. As EK goes, the sens go. Once he returns to form, Ottawa will be back in the mix.

They were never a great team, but they always had Karlsson.

 

[Ducks in a row]

They traded for Duchene and he has 1 goal 1 assist and is a -9. They need him to be better then he has been and him being so poor is a good part of their problems.

 

[Rob]

They overachieved at the beginning of the year.

 

[Bruin4Life]

The Sens Management Plan

1. Hire Coach
2. Wait one year
3. Sign him
4. Fire him near end of year
5. Repeat

In the past 10 years Ottawa has gone through Murray, Paddock, Murray again, Hartsburg, Clouston, Walrace , Cameron and now Boucher. 8 different coaching changes. Do players even get time to learn a system before they are forced to forget it?

 

[Bruin4Life]

They overachieved at the beginning of the year.

They overachieved the past 2 seasons.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Ottawa will be fine.

They were only 1 game away from going to the Stanley Cup final last year.
I wish they won the cup instead of Pittsburgh.

They were consistently bailed out by god like goaltending & a god mode Karlsson. Anyone could've seen this coming.

 

[zeke]

advanced stats mean something, even when a team overachieves them thanks to great goaltending and a singular super elite performer.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

nevermind I give up

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Didn't Karlsson's slump start right around the Turris trade?

I mean, maybe they were close and it's gutted him or maybe he's bummed out knowing that he is playing for a franchise that doesn't want to pay guys. His contract comments a few days ago line up with a guy who has seen what happens when it is time to get paid. Maybe his heart isn't in Ottawa the same anymore (speculation, I know..... but it is a message board after all).

 

[Korpse]

IIRC, their underlying stats are bad. So maybe it's just Ottawa coming back to Earth just like the Avs, Leafs and Flames of years past did.

You are kidding yourself if you think this is how they played in the previous year. They defended the middle of the ice really well and limited second chances. Lately they've been giving free looks infront of the net.

 

[Revelation]

Karlsson is probably gutted watching his closest teammates (Alfie, Zibanejad, Turris) get tossed out year after year because Melnyk is so cheap. There's only so many f***s a man can give

 

[Frank Drebin]

advanced stats mean something, even when a team overachieves them thanks to great goaltending and a singular super elite performer.

Except when they don't, context matters every time, so why don't we drop the advanced stats and just use context?

Ottawa won but they had terrible advanced stats, Montreal/Boston/LA had great advanced stats but didn't win anything. Iirc the cup winner was in the bottom half of advanced stats of all the playoff teams... what does it all mean Zeke, what does it all mean.