Anton Babchuk
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hav capn'd #manyteams most notably #2006stanlycupchampioncarolinehcane
#havsecretlybeenrobbrind'amourallthistime
#whowouldhavethot
#havsecretlybeenrobbrind'amourallthistime
#whowouldhavethot
the topic isn't leadership, the topic is that horrendous trade proposal
The sarcasm really comes out in full when you try to have a rational discussion about Eric Staal's failings as captain of this team.
When the topic is leadership, I just don't understand what people see in him. Alex Semin can score a crap-ton of points, but that would not get him nominated to be captain of any team. Who gives a **** about points.
How many of you who are defending Staal have ever captained a team?
The topic is "What happens if Carolina fails to make the playoffs again?".
This year, we have a ton of veteran leaders. Malhotra, Hainsey, Dvorak, Komisarek, Sekera in addition to the Staals. And guess what? We still suck.
Are we really back to speculating about what kind of leader Staal is? Haven't we had this conversation about 100 times and it's always come down to not knowing what goes on in the locker room?
While we have no idea what goes on in the room, what we do know is that a) the team has consistently failed to show up in key games over the years across multiple coaches, b) the team seems to consistently go into slumps that they can't get out of which many times coincides with his play, c) Staal takes a lot of bad / lazy penalties and d) he has a history of not working hard in the defensive zone , cheating to try and get offense and staying out there for too long, etc..
There's leadership in the locker room we can't see, and leadership on the ice which we can see, but obviously people can interpret it however they choose.
While we have no idea what goes on in the room, what we do know is that a) the team has consistently failed to show up in key games over the years across multiple coaches, b) the team seems to consistently go into slumps that they can't get out of which many times coincides with his play,
None of whom have been here long enough to realize Staal's a **** leader and they'd likely have to step on some toes to bring that leadership to the lockerroom.
Hell, 4 of those 5 are probably just happy to have a job. Isn't Sekera the only one that wasn't a last minute signing/cast off from their former team?
These are things that are common to all teams in the NHL. To all teams in professional sports.
I don't see how this is the fault of Staal's leadership.
We suck because:
--The leadership in the room hasn't realized that Staal is a terrible leader.
Or:
--Our roster is poorly constructed.
If we're going to talk about the failures across "multiple coaches", how about talking about the team having the same issues under multiple captains? Who was the captain when the team missed the playoffs two straight years after winning the Cup--sounds pretty inconsistent to me. Who was the captain who led us to the 14-game losing streak? Failure to show up in key games? Don't recall Eric Staal being the captain for the chokefest in 2008, or losing three straight with the playoffs on the line in 2007. These issues were going on long before Staal was named captain, only then it was heresy to question leadershipz.
I made that argument at one point but I don't think it got any traction. You can even take this back to Francis, though. 02-Previous Lockout were some pretty ****** years.
So where does the buck stop? There's been one constant over that time frame.
Blaming Staal is the same deal with blaming Mo. With the way people talk about this team you would assume that this was a perennially competitive team with Brind'amour/Francis and then all of the sudden Staal came along and they suck. Did any of you guys happen to watch the season in which Brind'amour was stripped of his captaincy? The team was consistently mediocre-to-terrible for four seasons after the team won the Cup outside of a fluke hot streak in 09. I suspect any Staal trade/removal of captaincy will pretty much have the effect the last two coaching changes did: absolutely none. Keep putting ****** rosters on the ice year after and this is what you get. How many captains has JR had? How many coaches?
You guys expect a competitive team because you have Ryan ****ing Callahan being all gritty and leadershippy when Rod Brind'amour couldn't even lead this team to even the 8th seed half the time? ****ing lolz.
Blaming Staal is the same deal with blaming Mo. With the way people talk about this team you would assume that this was a perennially competitive team with Brind'amour/Francis and then all of the sudden Staal came along and they suck. Did any of you guys happen to watch the season in which Brind'amour was stripped of his captaincy? The team was consistently mediocre-to-terrible for four seasons after the team won the Cup outside of a fluke hot streak in 09. I suspect any Staal trade/removal of captaincy will pretty much have the effect the last two coaching changes did: absolutely none. Keep putting ****** rosters on the ice year after and this is what you get. How many captains has JR had? How many coaches?
You guys expect a competitive team because you have Ryan ****ing Callahan being all gritty and leadershippy, yet Rod Brind'amour couldn't even lead this team to even the 8th seed half the time? ****ing lolz.
Of course I would want some sort of a sign and trade aspect with Callahan and Girardi. It wouldn't be worth it without some sort of an agreement in place.
exactly what i've been saying
if anyone wants this team to get better, it has to get rid of the one thing that has stayed the same.
its time for this team to leave north carolina