Value of: Wayne Simmonds

[Johnny Hoxville]

I could see the Flames offering Bennett, but not sure they would offer much more. I think most are really wanting to see how Bennett does under our new coach.

 

[Starat327]

Hmmm, you need RD prospects? I wasn't aware of that. Allow me to introduce Jordan Schmaltz ... Seriously, how about a package of Tage Thompson +Schmaltz for Simmonds and a 2nd?

We dont need prospects per se, just cant trade the ones we have. How about your 2020 (top 10 Protect) first and Thompson for Simmonds?

 

[pmwlker]

2018 1st (assume FLA stays at #16)
2019 2nd
Pysyk or RFA rights to Petrovic or 2019 3rd
Mascherin/Hunt
Malgin

For

Simmonds (((= 1st + Malgin))
MacDonald = ((Mascherin/Hunt + Pysyk/Petrovic or 3rd))
Myers = ((2nd))

PHILLY gets some capspace, getting younger, cheaper and allowing for more picks to finalize the build.

Malgin is a fast RW/C playmaker with a decent shot, just needs some more TOI, still young but hungry, NHL ready.

Mascherin has a laser beam shot on the LW, maybe needs a year in AHL to work on defensive side of things.
Hunt is more suited for bottom 6 with his build, also has a pretty good shot and has been one of our better LW in AHL. Possibly ready this year or next.

(Pysyk/Petrovic could be flipped if this trade is at draft, also if the plan is bringing in Sanheim next year)
I figured Myers is somewhat available with Ghost and Sanheim on RD?

FLORIDA takes on extra cap, mortgages some future to get another top 6 RW, one with grit/physicality, playoff experience and net front presence. Has been pretty healthy for a PWF type player. Think the warm weather will do him good. Would re-sign to a 5-6 yr deal at $6 million with no state tax.

MacDonald is an upgrade on Pysyk/Petrovic and Mac's contract runs out right as our defense prospects become ready, Myers, Stillman and Schemitsch being some of them.

Way off? 3 beers deep so may be a little buzzed.

Swap Myers for something else and I’d consider it. Myers is the sticking piece that kills it for me


Would Gudas and Simmonds interest you ?

To Florida

Simmonds
Gudas

To Philly

Florida 2018 first
2019 second
Malgin/Mascherin


Close?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Swap Myers for something else and I’d consider it. Myers is the sticking piece that kills it for me

As much as I was trading the 2018 1st for Simmonds, Myers was the main reason for doing it since most Panthers fans are set on using that pick to draft a defenseman, preferably a shutdown/2 way RD. Weegar is a rookie this year, Stillman and Schemitsch are still developing. Pysyk and Petrovic are bottom pairing at best it looks like.

Too bad Sanheim wasn't a RD or maybe it could have worked with making Myers expendable, in the sense having Shayne and Travis as your top 4 RD's. Bottom pairing guys are easy to find.

 

[pmwlker]

As much as I was trading the 2018 1st for Simmonds, Myers was the main reason for doing it since most Panthers fans are set on using that pick to draft a defenseman, preferably a shutdown/2 way RD. Weegar is a rookie this year, Stillman and Schemitsch are still developing. Pysyk and Petrovic are bottom pairing at best it looks like.

Too bad Sanheim wasn't a RD or maybe it could have worked with making Myers expendable, in the sense having Shayne and Travis as your top 4 RD's. Bottom pairing guys are easy to find.

Yeah I’m more comfortable with....

Provorov/Ghost
Sanheim/Myers
Morin/ ?

Then we only need a 5/6 who can play the right side and move the puck. Friedman would be my hope as he suits the side and style of play.

 

[simon IC]

Yeah I’m more comfortable with....

Provorov/Ghost
Sanheim/Myers
Morin/ ?

Then we only need a 5/6 who can play the right side and move the puck. Friedman would be my hope as he suits the side and style of play.

Once again, I suggest Jordan Schmaltz. He's a puck moving RD with NHL experience. Blues are in a difficult spot with him. He is behind Pietrangelo and Parayko on RD, but we still have Bortuzzo signed for one more year. The coaching staff like Bort's physical style. We can't send Schmaltz to the AHL, because he is no longer waiver exempt, and there is no way he passes through waivers. So, he either takes turns in the press box with Bortuzzo, (not ideal for his development), or we trade one of them. Schmaltz has much more trade value, and Yeo seems to favour Borts, so my guess is Schmaltz is on the block. He could be packaged in a deal for Simmonds, or he can probably be acquired for a 2nd. That is if, of course, the Flyers are interested.

 

[ponder719]

As much as I was trading the 2018 1st for Simmonds, Myers was the main reason for doing it since most Panthers fans are set on using that pick to draft a defenseman, preferably a shutdown/2 way RD. Weegar is a rookie this year, Stillman and Schemitsch are still developing. Pysyk and Petrovic are bottom pairing at best it looks like.

Too bad Sanheim wasn't a RD or maybe it could have worked with making Myers expendable, in the sense having Shayne and Travis as your top 4 RD's. Bottom pairing guys are easy to find.

If the sticking point is you guys needing to use #16 for a long-term RD, then why not flip the picks? Something like Simmonds + Gudas for 2018 2nd, 2019 1st, and either Malgin or Mascherin? From our perspective, having 2 #1s in 18 and 19 is probably as useful as 3 this year and 1 next year, you get to draft your guy, and Gudas can be a bridge for you until he's ready.

 

[pmwlker]

Once again, I suggest Jordan Schmaltz. He's a puck moving RD with NHL experience. Blues are in a difficult spot with him. He is behind Pietrangelo and Parayko on RD, but we still have Bortuzzo signed for one more year. The coaching staff like Bort's physical style. We can't send Schmaltz to the AHL, because he is no longer waiver exempt, and there is no way he passes through waivers. So, he either takes turns in the press box with Bortuzzo, or we trade one of them. Schmaltz has much more trade value, and Yeo seems to favour Borts, so my guess is Schmaltz is on the block. He could be packaged in a deal for Simmonds, or he can probably be acquired for a 2nd. That is if, of course, the Flyers are interested.

Would rather wait to see if Mark Friedman can fill that role. It’s also assumed one of our firsts this year assuming we end up with 2 will be a d man with an emphasis on one of the righties.

 

[pmwlker]

If the sticking point is you guys needing to use #16 for a long-term RD, then why not flip the picks? Something like Simmonds + Gudas for 2018 2nd, 2019 1st, and either Malgin or Mascherin? From our perspective, having 2 #1s in 18 and 19 is probably as useful as 3 this year and 1 next year, you get to draft your guy, and Gudas can be a bridge for you until he's ready.

Logical. I concour. I’d do that deal.

Hang on a minute. Did two opposite fan bases just negotiate a trade without resorting to childishness?? I applaude all involved.

 

[Starat327]

Logical. I concour. I’d do that deal.

Hang on a minute. Did two opposite fan bases just negotiate a trade without resorting to childishness?? I applaude all involved.

Flyers suck. Panthers suck. Enjoy he golf course, guys.


Did i do that right?

 

[pmwlker]

Flyers suck. Panthers suck. Enjoy he golf course, guys.


Did i do that right?

That’s better. Phewwww. Here I thought we were being all civilized like.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Probably not as high as you'd think, and definitely no where near as high as a couple years ago.

Love me some Wayne but I think he's in for a steep decline.

 

[BUIHAHockey]

Ya almost exactly how we are set. Forgot about Frost, could be a special player there.
We have our D pretty much figured out, but would be nice to upgrade RD on 2nd pairing
C is set with Barkov, Trocheck, Borgstrom (assuming he stays at C) and McCann
Tippett and Heponiemi are on their way to help out RW and LW depth
Just need a long term goalie solution, Montembault could be it, still young at 21yrs old.

Meet ya in the 2020 Eastern Conference Finals , been a while since we played a series, 1996 to be exact.

How about something around Bjugstad for Simmonds?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

If the sticking point is you guys needing to use #16 for a long-term RD, then why not flip the picks? Something like Simmonds + Gudas for 2018 2nd, 2019 1st, and either Malgin or Mascherin? From our perspective, having 2 #1s in 18 and 19 is probably as useful as 3 this year and 1 next year, you get to draft your guy, and Gudas can be a bridge for you until he's ready.

I thought of that too. Our 2nd this year is really high being Arizonas and one would assume our 1st next year will be a bit later than 16th so value of picks evens out. Gudas is good stop gap but anyway you can take Pysyk? Or maybe we could flip him elsewhere.
I'd be open to that trade idea since we keep our 1st this year and can draft a RD. Who would you guys prefer out of Malgin (C/RW) or Mascherin (LW)?

How about something around Bjugstad for Simmonds?

I'd like to keep Bjugstad until Tippett makes him expendable but it's possible. Our RW depth is very young and inexperienced which is why I was trying to add another top 6 RW instead of a one for one type deal.

 

[pmwlker]

I thought of that too. Our 2nd this year is really high being Arizonas and one would assume our 1st next year will be a bit later than 16th so value of picks evens out. Gudas is good stop gap but anyway you can take Pysyk? Or maybe we could flip him elsewhere.
I'd be open to that trade idea since we keep our 1st this year and can draft a RD. Who would you guys prefer out of Malgin (C/RW) or Mascherin (LW)?



I'd like to keep Bjugstad until Tippett makes him expendable but it's possible. Our RW depth is very young and inexperienced which is why I was trying to add another top 6 RW instead of a one for one type deal.

I’d prefer Malgin but that’s just me.

 

[Boxscore]

I'll give ya Bjugstad

Would Florida give Tippett and pick 15 for Simmonds and pick 50 and pick 112?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Would Florida give Tippett and pick 15 for Simmonds and pick 50 and pick 112?

Very doubtful. His ELC and 25-30 goal potential will help us going forward.

If we dangle Tippett, we'd want to package him for a top 4 D.

 

[Dabeast]

Would Florida give Tippett and pick 15 for Simmonds and pick 50 and pick 112?

That’s a no from me

 

[Boxscore]

Very doubtful. His ELC and 25-30 goal potential will help us going forward.

If we dangle Tippett, we'd want to package him for a top 4 D.

I understand that. But when did a prospect in Tippet's position fetch a legitimate, proven top-4 D?

If you want to trade potential for potential, I can see that, but I don't see a team like Calgary (for example) giving up a Hamilton or Brodie for Tippett.

Would something like

Simmonds, Hagg and 112

for

Tippett and 15 work?

Tippett looks like a very nice prospect with goalscoring hands, which the Flyers could use. However, he's still a prospect and hasn't proved anything in the NHL. What if Tippett doesn't live up to potential? You don't think a player like Simmonds could really help Florida, with the core they already have?

 

[MSSLYNX]

I understand that. But when did a prospect in Tippet's position fetch a legitimate, proven top-4 D?

If you want to trade potential for potential, I can see that, but I don't see a team like Calgary (for example) giving up a Hamilton or Brodie for Tippett.

Would something like

Simmonds, Hagg and 112

for

Tippett and 15 work?

Tippett looks like a very nice prospect with goalscoring hands, which the Flyers could use. However, he's still a prospect and hasn't proved anything in the NHL. What if Tippett doesn't live up to potential? You don't think a player like Simmonds could really help Florida, with the core they already have?

This Philly fan would offer way more to get Tippett and 15.
The « prospect didnt prove anything » line is getting old.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I understand that. But when did a prospect in Tippet's position fetch a legitimate, proven top-4 D?

If you want to trade potential for potential, I can see that, but I don't see a team like Calgary (for example) giving up a Hamilton or Brodie for Tippett.

Would something like

Simmonds, Hagg and 112

for

Tippett and 15 work?

Tippett looks like a very nice prospect with goalscoring hands, which the Flyers could use. However, he's still a prospect and hasn't proved anything in the NHL. What if Tippett doesn't live up to potential? You don't think a player like Simmonds could really help Florida, with the core they already have?

I said "package" Tippett meaning adding a 1st and something else.

And no on the 2nd offer as well, that's two 1st round picks in back to back years. We need Tippetts shot in the top 6 and on the PP.

As for wanting Simmonds, he's probably my fave all around player in the league but not willing to break the bank getting him.

 

[Boxscore]

This Philly fan would offer way more to get Tippett and 15.
The « prospect didnt prove anything » line is getting old.

So wait,

Lucic was traded for Martin Jones, Colin Miller and the 13th overall.

Mike Richards was traded for Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn (top prospect at the time)

Jeff Carter was traded for Jakub Voracek and the 8th overall (Couturier).

And Wayne Simmonds++ isn't worth Tippett and 15?

I think Wayne Simmonds is being severely underrated here. You can count on one hand the players in the league who bring to the table Simmonds' package of skill, goal scoring, physical play, leadership, character and ability to drop the gloves with anyone in the NHL.

What's getting old is <<player X is going to need a new contract soon so he's worthless>>

Yakupov busted. Bennett is just ok. Strome has been passed by most in his draft class. The list of underachieving prospects goes on and on. This isn't my opinion, it's documented fact.

 

[MSSLYNX]

So wait,

Lucic was traded for Martin Jones, Colin Miller and the 13th overall.

Mike Richards was traded for Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn (top prospect at the time)

Jeff Carter was traded for Jakub Voracek and the 8th overall (Couturier).

And Wayne Simmonds++ isn't worth Tippett and 15?

I think Wayne Simmonds is being severely underrated here. You can count on one hand the players in the league who bring to the table Simmonds' package of skill, goal scoring, physical play, leadership, character and ability to drop the gloves with anyone in the NHL.

What's getting old is <<player X is going to need a new contract soon so he's worthless>>

Yakupov busted. Bennett is just ok. Strome has been passed by most in his draft class. The list of underachieving prospects goes on and on. This isn't my opinion, it's documented fact.

This Philly fan likes Simmonds.
Richards and Carter are lousy examples as they were both traded days after signing 10 year deals.
Would not trade a 25 year old Simmonds for a prospect and a pick.
Would trade a 30 yrs old on an expiring contract for a prospect with great scoring potential and a 15th oa.
Why do you care for just an ok prospect from another team?

 

[Rich Nixon]

Richards and Carter are lousy examples as they were both traded days after signing 10 year deals.

Richards was traded 1,288 days after signing a 12 year deal. Carter, 222 days after signing for 10.

Still not great examples, but think your recollection is a little off.

 

[MSSLYNX]

Richards was traded 1,288 days after signing a 12 year deal. Carter, 222 days after signing for 10.

Still not great examples, but think your recollection is a little off.

Yes i thought it was closer. Didnt check obviously. But point still stands: you dont get same returns for Wayne today as these 2.