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Confirmed Trade: [VGK/CBJ] Jonathan Quick (50% retained) for Michael Hutchinson, 2025 7th round pick
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" I love it when a plan comes together "Yes! Got our mole in the Vegas organization now! Kiss that division lead goodbye.
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WAAAAAAA!!!
Good flip, bad return. I know Quick has not been very good but they got a warm body and a 7th WHILE retaining salary. The salary retained is worth much more than a 7th. Feels like Jarmo is just doing LVK a favor here.
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Playoff drama at its best. LA should trade for Fleury 
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So Jarmos deadline;
- scout trip over Europe
- talk about trading someone and leave it on queue for few days
- whine about Bruins bad ethics for taking a better deal
- take Quick as cap casualty
- immediately flip Quick to a Kings rival who they might play in the best-of-seven
- trollface
- scout trip over Europe
- talk about trading someone and leave it on queue for few days
- whine about Bruins bad ethics for taking a better deal
- take Quick as cap casualty
- immediately flip Quick to a Kings rival who they might play in the best-of-seven
- trollface
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Hutch and a 7th? THAT is what he's worth?
That's a HUGE steal for Vvegas.
Quick was given away.
He's been disrespected A LOT recently I hope he has 1 more run.
That's a HUGE steal for Vvegas.
Quick was given away.
He's been disrespected A LOT recently I hope he has 1 more run.
Respect for Quick was the only thing that kept him from being sent to the minors this year, even Petersen was playing better than he was. It was a perfect storm of crap goaltending.
Pretty much this. The Kings just never had anyone lined up for their main core. Losing Brown stung and our hitting went down but was manageable at wing, but when Quick fell with no one behind him that was LA's Achilles heel. The other shoe will drop when Kopitar and Doughty go if they don't have anyone that can step in for them...
Quick likely would have been the one waived and we would have been sporting Petersen/Copely if it wasn't for his name and status within the organization. Petersen has been playing decent to average in the AHL, but I have a feeling if Quick were actually sent down and for some reason reported he would not have played as well.
Lol ya. Not saying quick would be good to have, just that it was obvious we wasn't happy to be traded to the Jackets.
Lol, don't take it so hard bud.
It's either retain and get a 7th or no trade for quick at all. There was gonna be no other offers
Since November 28th, he has played 15 games and had a sv% below .890 in 13 of the 15. One of the 2 other games was where he only played about 1 period in relief and stopped all 7 total shots and he only had 1 other good game where he stopped 23 out of 24 in that time span.
He was below .870 in 9 of those 15. Below .860 sv% in 7 of 15. That's about as done as it gets. He had a few good games in October and November but nothing since. His body can't hold up anymore.
Svs percentage by month
October .888
November .892
December .867
Jan .857
Feb .821.
A pattern. He's clearly toast. That's why you got him for that.
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fun fact....
AHL journeyman Copley has given up 71 goals in 1510 minutes of play.
Quick has given up 99 goals in 1698 minutes.
Essentially in the difference of 3 regulation games what amounts to a 28 goal differential with the same roster.
Wouldn't be shocked for Quick to come out focused and recharged out of the gates but his reaction time and agility or lack thereof was apparent all season long. Arizona scored 5 on him in his last W as a King.
AHL journeyman Copley has given up 71 goals in 1510 minutes of play.
Quick has given up 99 goals in 1698 minutes.
Essentially in the difference of 3 regulation games what amounts to a 28 goal differential with the same roster.
Wouldn't be shocked for Quick to come out focused and recharged out of the gates but his reaction time and agility or lack thereof was apparent all season long. Arizona scored 5 on him in his last W as a King.
His and ppetersons performance is why they have a bad goal differential. You realize the goalie letting in goals effects the differential right? What's their differential with copley?
Of course and not good. It still remains that he will have better defensive support in Vegas than he did in LA. Sure, he has regressed and could have played better, but he was left out to dry far more nights than not.
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Lets look at the stats.
For the year.
High Danger Scoring Shots on goal getting to net.
Kings 494
Knights 449,
Goals allowed 107 by the Kings, and 79 by Vegas, (this more of a goalie performance metric)
The proportion of shots allowed vs goals given up are largely disproportional. Both teams give up similar high scoring chances. The probability of scoring is high, and yet Vegas goalies do a better job of stopping it. 56 in 29 vs 51 in 33. for the Kings. And if you remove the Quick games it drops like 4 goals more.
Medium scoring areas
Kings allowed 508 Vegas 513 Kings 61 allowed Vegas 56 better than the high but again disproportional,.
If we look at BC (before Copley)
Kings gave up 104 goals in 29 games.
Since Copley call up they gave up 106 in 33 games
Goals scored and given up since Copley call up if we compare Knights and Kings during that time.
Knights have a + 6 goal differential and Kings +8
The Kings before Copley were a minus 8, the Knights plus 18
Kings 16 points up, Knights 12 points down since that time. Just a comparison again how there is no difference between teams.
Since the Copley call up Kings have given up 5 or more goals 9 times. Quick was in Net for 6 of them.
If Quick plays, and I don't think he will play much, he is going to have to figure some things out, cuz there is little to no difference when you look at the defensive underlying numbers.
Part of his problem is his puck control and just giving up a lot of rebounds. It puts his team in a bad spot
The 1 solid game he had against the Islanders was where he stayed in the blue and he did not go way out an challenge. That is where he gets in trouble cuz, god bless him, he cannot move like he used to.
The numbers say otherwise. And Copley is playing behind the same defense.
Lets look at the stats.
For the year.
High Danger Scoring Shots on goal getting to net.
Kings 494
Knights 449,
Goals allowed 107 by the Kings, and 79 by Vegas, (this more of a goalie performance metric)
The proportion of shots allowed vs goals given up are largely disproportional. Both teams give up similar high scoring chances. The probability of scoring is high, and yet Vegas goalies do a better job of stopping it. 56 in 29 vs 51 in 33. for the Kings. And if you remove the Quick games it drops like 4 goals more.
Medium scoring areas
Kings allowed 508 Vegas 513 Kings 61 allowed Vegas 56 better than the high but again disproportional,.
If we look at BC (before Copley)
Kings gave up 104 goals in 29 games.
Since Copley call up they gave up 106 in 33 games
Goals scored and given up since Copley call up if we compare Knights and Kings during that time.
Knights have a + 6 goal differential and Kings +8
The Kings before Copley were a minus 8, the Knights plus 18
Kings 16 points up, Knights 12 points down since that time. Just a comparison again how there is no difference between teams.
Since the Copley call up Kings have given up 5 or more goals 9 times. Quick was in Net for 6 of them.
If Quick plays, and I don't think he will play much, he is going to have to figure some things out, cuz there is little to no difference when you look at the defensive underlying numbers.
Part of his problem is his puck control and just giving up a lot of rebounds. It puts his team in a bad spot
The 1 solid game he had against the Islanders was where he stayed in the blue and he did not go way out an challenge. That is where he gets in trouble cuz, god bless him, he cannot move like he used to.
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mysterman2
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Note in that same game Kings held the Isles to 18 total shots the entire game.
