Vegas asked for Wilson and Grubauer in exchange for Schmidt

[Anglesmith]

Peter? There’s a Peter? Is that Philip’s twin brother?

Philip? There's a Philip? Is that Philipp's twin brother?

 

[IceNeophyte]

Probably not huge news last summer, but based on how things all played out, I'd say this is pretty insane info to find out about now.

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Perspective | ‘A little bit bittersweet’: Former Capital Nate Schmidt thriving in Vegas

Seems the no deal has worked out pretty well for both teams. Do either/both teams still make the SCF if this deal had happened???

Thank goodness we didn't get the dirty ape.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I get people not liking Wilson's style of play, but you have to be straight ignorant to not be able to admit the tremendous value he brings and how he opens up the ice for his linemates. That he's quickly turning into a staple on Ovechkin's line is meaningful, that's a line that has seen tremendous talent just cycled through because it failed to click, yet something Wilson brings helps Ovechkin and Kuznetsov produce.


I loved Schmidt, I was bummed that he left but our team never used him right, there's no guarantee he has the same season he's having if he's in DC. Look at Kempny, improperly utilized in Chicago, having a career year in DC.

The Caps would have penciled Schmidt into their second pairing, who knows how much more they would have bungled up. Part of the success of the Caps is they felt they had to look for talent in unconventional places and that's why we saw guys like Djoos, Stephenson, etc. be so important. If we start sliding back into last years roster and plugging guys back in I'm not certain we see the same results.

 

[ChanceVegas]

It wasn't an offer; it was the ask by McPhee.

Bad wording on my part. That was the ask by McPhee because the guy he really wanted was Schmidt. "Look, I will ask for a dollar, but I really just want your 50 cents there."

 

[Lawd Stanley]

Philip? There's a Philip? Is that Philipp's twin brother?

Autocorrect on an iPhone is not NEARLY as uncommon as not knowing a player’s first name. And posting about it. Sorry to burst your bubble since you really tried hard regurgitate my joke didn’t you? Sigh

 

[ChanceVegas]

I get people not liking Wilson's style of play, but you have to be straight ignorant to not be able to admit the tremendous value he brings and how he opens up the ice for his linemates. That he's quickly turning into a staple on Ovechkin's line is meaningful, that's a line that has seen tremendous talent just cycled through because it failed to click, yet something Wilson brings helps Ovechkin and Kuznetsov produce.


I loved Schmidt, I was bummed that he left but our team never used him right, there's no guarantee he has the same season he's having if he's in DC. Look at Kempny, improperly utilized in Chicago, having a career year in DC.

The Caps would have penciled Schmidt into their second pairing, who knows how much more they would have bungled up. Part of the success of the Caps is they felt they had to look for talent in unconventional places and that's why we saw guys like Djoos, Stephenson, etc. be so important. If we start sliding back into last years roster and plugging guys back in I'm not certain we see the same results.

Ignorance is bliss as they say. Good for Caps that he works on your team I guess. It doesn't change that Wilson is a goon. Yes, he may be able to play hockey too, but the negatives far outweigh the positives for me. I wasn't really happy getting Reaves for similar reasons, and absolutely hated that first game he played for us against LAK when he was trying to be a human wrecking ball. But as much as Reaves looks to hit, he isn't out there trying to end careers and laughing about it. He isn't putting guys in the hospital.

 

[g00n]

Ignorance is bliss as they say. Good for Caps that he works on your team I guess. It doesn't change that Wilson is a goon. Yes, he may be able to play hockey too, but the negatives far outweigh the positives for me. I wasn't really happy getting Reaves for similar reasons, and absolutely hated that first game he played for us against LAK when he was trying to be a human wrecking ball. But as much as Reaves looks to hit, he isn't out there trying to end careers and laughing about it. He isn't putting guys in the hospital.

Everyone thinks their own shit don't stink.

 

[Bronson]

Jesus Christ, both teams are in the finals. Anyone saying this is anything but a win-win is wrong.

 

[Midnight Judges]

But as much as Reaves looks to hit, he isn't out there trying to end careers and laughing about it.

What was that you were saying about ignorance?

 

[Anglesmith]

This is an interesting trade idea. Having Nate Schmidt instead of Kempny would probably help the Caps a lot in this series. But Wilson is definitely impactful, and who knows where they'd have been without Grubauer?

Autocorrect on an iPhone is not NEARLY as uncommon as not knowing a player’s first name. And posting about it. Sorry to burst your bubble since you really tried hard regurgitate my joke didn’t you? Sigh

It's perfectly fine for you to sarcastically point out someone else's mistake, but heaven forbid someone does the same to you! Have a thicker skin, or alternatively, don't do to others things that apparently touch a nerve for you.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Ignorance is bliss as they say. Good for Caps that he works on your team I guess. It doesn't change that Wilson is a goon. Yes, he may be able to play hockey too, but the negatives far outweigh the positives for me. I wasn't really happy getting Reaves for similar reasons, and absolutely hated that first game he played for us against LAK when he was trying to be a human wrecking ball. But as much as Reaves looks to hit, he isn't out there trying to end careers and laughing about it. He isn't putting guys in the hospital.

In no way to the negative of Wilson outweigh the positives, not even close. Wilson can actually score and cycle while also terrifying other teams players. He's far from just a goon. He' a slightly less skilled Lucic when Lucic was actually good in Boston.

Also your comparison to Reaves doesn't hold up. Wilson has the same number of points these playoffs as Reaves career high in the regular season...

 

[ChanceVegas]

In no way to the negative of Wilson outweigh the positives, not even close. Wilson can actually score and cycle while also terrifying other teams players. He's far from just a goon. He' a slightly less skilled Lucic when Lucic was actually good in Boston.

Also your comparison to Reaves doesn't hold up. Wilson has the same number of points these playoffs as Reaves career high in the regular season...

A skilled goon yes, but a goon none the less. And let's not say he terrifies players with his skill. He terrifies players with his goonery. I guess if that is important to you, then I can see why you think Wilson's positives outweigh his negatives. I disagree with that, but that's just me.

I just brought up Reaves because he is seen as a goon too. I wasn't saying Reaves is as skilled as Wilson.

 

[txpd]

It's awesome when you don't have a cap in your first year to deal with!!

Kempny, and his price, is just fine for what Schmidt is and will be getting paid.

Kempny was a good get and a good fit for a 3rd. It shouldn't be lost though that he is a even strength only player where Schmidt is all situations. Of course Schmidt would no more be a power play member than Orlov his because he shoots left and he is small for the PK and Orpik would still be getting his minutes

 

[justafan22]

In this case, the caps would've been able to keep Johansson for another season, right? They dumped him after july 1 to be compliant with the cap.

 

[txpd]

In no way to the negative of Wilson outweigh the positives, not even close. Wilson can actually score and cycle while also terrifying other teams players. He's far from just a goon. He' a slightly less skilled Lucic when Lucic was actually good in Boston.

Also your comparison to Reaves doesn't hold up. Wilson has the same number of points these playoffs as Reaves career high in the regular season...

Goon=fighter. Wilson his a nearly all situations player that also fights. He is 2nd on the Caps in playoff even strength points per game. He produces and also protects. He is first pk unit as well as first line. How many goons are selected to play the final 30 seconds protecting a one goal lead like Wilson is?

 

[nbwingsfan]

A skilled goon yes, but a goon none the less. And let's not say he terrifies players with his skill. He terrifies players with his goonery. I guess if that is important to you, then I can see why you think Wilson's positives outweigh his negatives. I disagree with that, but that's just me.

I just brought up Reaves because he is seen as a goon too. I wasn't saying Reaves is as skilled as Wilson.

Of course he doesn't scare with his skill, but only people who haven't played contact hockey would say seeing a guy like Wilson who will crush you and then score wouldn't worry them.

What exactly are the "negatives" that outweigh a 35pt player who also opens up space for the players around him?

 

[ChanceVegas]

What exactly are the "negatives" that outweigh a 35pt player who also opens up space for the players around him?

Probably ask ZAR that one. As a fan, I hate seeing that. And as I fan, I worry his goonery is gonna end the season for one of the Knight's players in this series. That is the negative that pretty much outweighs any good he does.

I know... I'm soft, don't understand hockey, etc.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Probably ask ZAR that one. As a fan, I hate seeing that. And as I fan, I worry his goonery is gonna end the season for one of the Knight's players in this series. That is the negative that pretty much outweighs any good he does.

I know... I'm soft, don't understand hockey, etc.

So there's no actual negatives to having him on your team when it comes to on ice play. Gotcha.

 

[ChanceVegas]

So there's no actual negatives to having him on your team when it comes to on ice play. Gotcha.

None of the injuries he has doled out happened on the ice?

 

[txpd]

A skilled goon yes, but a goon none the less. And let's not say he terrifies players with his skill. He terrifies players with his goonery. I guess if that is important to you, then I can see why you think Wilson's positives outweigh his negatives. I disagree with that, but that's just me.

Nah. He terrifies defensemen because he is fast, makes the correct read almost every time and hits like a dump truck. That is not goonery. Unless you would also call Ovechkin a goon. Is that important? Sure, it creates defensemen moving pucks before they should. That creates mistakes and turnovers. You don't think turnovers are important?

 

[txpd]

None of the injuries he has doled out happened on the ice?

Those are not negatives for the Capitals

 

[ChanceVegas]

Nah. He terrifies defensemen because he is fast, makes the correct read almost every time and hits like a dump truck. That is not goonery. Unless you would also call Ovechkin a goon. Is that important? Sure, it creates defensemen moving pucks before they should. That creates mistakes and turnovers. You don't think turnovers are important?

Breaking a guy's jaw on a boarding isn't goonery? Then laughing about it? If his intention is not to injure, he needs to learn how to hit so that he does not injure. Seems like nearly every other player in the NHL has that one figured out. I don't think Ovi has put guys in the hospital with his hits nor been suspended for them, has he?

Those are not negatives for the Capitals

That's fine if you feel that way (though I disagree if the result is he gets suspended for it). I'm not trying to change your mind. I just don't want it on my team, which was the original intent of my post to begin with.

Which is why I am glad we have Schmidt and not Wilson.

 

[g00n]

Breaking a guy's jaw on a boarding isn't goonery? Then laughing about it? If his intention is not to injure, he needs to learn how to hit so that he does not injure. Seems like nearly every other player in the NHL has that one figured out. I don't think Ovi has put guys in the hospital with his hits nor been suspended for them, has he?



That's fine if you feel that way (though I disagree if the result is he gets suspended for it). I'm not trying to change your mind. I just don't want it on my team, which was the original intent of my post to begin with.

Which is why I am glad we have Schmidt and not Wilson.

He didn't break ZAR's jaw on a board, it was two guys voluntarily going shoulder to shoulder.

He doesn't hurt people because he doesn't know how to hit. He and the DOPS have gone over it many times. He f***s people up because he's bigger and stronger than they are, and he hits harder than anyone in the league because of it.

All of this is like complaining about Tiger Woods blowing it by everyone when he came on tour. They started trying to lengthen golf courses to stop him. With Wilson they try to call him for penalties that other players would get away with. Sad.

 

[haveandare]

That's a huge price. Did he ask that much of other teams?

He got the Wild to give up Tuch in the same situation.

 

[BattleBorn]

The Knights aren’t the Knights without Schmidt. He’s a part of the room that’s indispensable.

People say this was an unreasonable ask, I agree, but I think it’s unreasonable on the other end.

Nate Schmidt is the Knights.