Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part IV
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allan5oh
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this is awesome!!! Keep posting after each game....
I'm going to schedule 3-4 tweets a day (usually to tsn1290 radio shows) plus something snarky after each game.
Coach Parker
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Well it's pretty simple now after watching the Jets first three games. I'd think Chevy has it as simple as this:
'Make me a trade that makes my Jets a playoff team this year or Trouba can sit and we'll develop the kids this year over the regular season.'
gwh
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I think Chevy is doing the optimal solution here.
1) Jets have no/low chance to compete this year, but high chance for next year onwards
2) Any trade must benefit 2017-> more than the current year
3) Holdout will reduce Trouba's cap
4) Holdout gives time scout Rookie LHDs. (Like Werenski.)
I don't see any downsides of a holdout until Dec 1st.
I think Chevy is doing the optimal solution here.
1) Jets have no/low chance to compete this year, but high chance for next year onwards
2) Any trade must benefit 2017-> more than the current year
3) Holdout will reduce Trouba's cap
4) Holdout gives time scout Rookie LHDs. (Like Werenski.)
I don't see any downsides of a holdout until Dec 1st.
Hunter368
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RangerBoy
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Curufinwe
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I think Lindholm can command a higher AAV than Trouba. Maybe Trouba would even take a bridge deal to facilitate a move to an American team where he will play right side only.
rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
Well in the last couple of pages I've seen it insinuated that it would take packages involving Weresnki+ or Larkin+ or Chychrun+ & WPG isn't going to get any one young piece with quite that caliber of value. It would be a bigger pile of lesser assets if they do deal him.
rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
Yeah, I'd try to work out something with Toronto, Anaheim and Winnipeg.
Winnipeg ----> Cam Fowler + Andreas Johnsson
Anaheim -----> Nikita Soshnikov + Kasperi Kapanen
Toronto -----> Jacob Trouba
Toronto give's up some of our winger depth, but it'd still be incredibly deep.
Anaheim gets two very good near nhl ready wingers, and loses salary to sign Lindholm.
Winnipeg gets the young LHD they have been looking for, and gets an added prospect to sweeten the deal.
Overall, I think all teams achieve what they want out of this deal, even if some tweaking is needed
Winnipeg ----> Cam Fowler + Andreas Johnsson
Anaheim -----> Nikita Soshnikov + Kasperi Kapanen
Toronto -----> Jacob Trouba
Toronto give's up some of our winger depth, but it'd still be incredibly deep.
Anaheim gets two very good near nhl ready wingers, and loses salary to sign Lindholm.
Winnipeg gets the young LHD they have been looking for, and gets an added prospect to sweeten the deal.
Overall, I think all teams achieve what they want out of this deal, even if some tweaking is needed
Get him outta here now !!!
I say trade Trouba now and get the best deal that you can and if its nt a defensemen so be it. Morrissey is playing okay Chevy should wait for the best deal period and move him. He is nt worth 8 mil no way his agent really did a number on this kid and player has to show a longer number of years of good playing to get that kind of money.
I say trade Trouba now and get the best deal that you can and if its nt a defensemen so be it. Morrissey is playing okay Chevy should wait for the best deal period and move him. He is nt worth 8 mil no way his agent really did a number on this kid and player has to show a longer number of years of good playing to get that kind of money.
When Edmonton calls Overheart to negotiate a deal he laughs and hangs up the phone saying I would rather stay in Winterpeg if Edmonton is the only option
He wants to play in a big market or the USA.....this has nothing to do with playing left or right side as he was going to play 25 min a night with Buff...how is that for opportunity for a 22 year old player? Its all about an RFA trying to cry his way to where he wants to play.
I like RNH so Im not making fun of the offer .....but Trouba won't go to Edmonton now....maybe if we sit him for a year he may reconsider but no way in hell he accepts a move there at the moment.
If Edmonton fans really want Trouba you are praying Dec 1 comes and goes and he is forced to sit....At that point I would guess any NHL city would suddenly become reasonable to him and his dad
GoJetsGo55
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He can plan all he likes but he is still losing money every single day.
No one is asking him to sign a cheap contract. His agent confirmed that they have not allowed the Jets to submit a single offer. They are playing hardball. What do you do with a guy who doesn't even want to negotiate?
He can say "I will only play for these 5 teams." Well.....unless one of those 5 teams submits a suitable offer, he's going to be sitting for a long time.
Here's the reality of the situation. The Jets hold 99% of the cards. You don't lose a negotiation when you hold 99% of the cards. Trouba is playing his 1% move and hurting himself more than anything in the process.
If I had to guess how this plays out, he will sign something like 6x$5,000,000 and then gets traded shortly after.
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Gump Hasek
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I am going to look at the windows of opportunity in when the Jets can maximize trade return on Trouba.
2016 Offseason
This would have been the ideal time but I strongly suspect Overhardt wrecked this time frame by limiting the number of ideal destinations and having ridiculous salary demands for less desirable teams. Overhardt basically had veto powers simply by not agreeing to a contract.
I guess the limited ideal destinations did not pony up, wasting this time frame
December 1
If Trouba does not sign by December 1, he loses a year of NHL salary AND he becomes a UFA one year later. It is a huge cost to him if he doesn't sign.
This deadline should break Overhardt's offseason resolve. His camp should be more willing to extend destinations and be more reasonable in contract talks. That should make Trouba a more desirable trade prospect.
Chevy needs to ramp up this pressure by doing absolutely nothing until the latter part of November unless a sweetheart deal emerges (unlikely...I mean you guys think Fowler for Trouba is a good trade rofl).
2017 Offseason
If it somehow gets to that point, it does open up more potential for trades (draft, free agency etc), Overhardt looks like an idiot, Jets show their resolve by not letting RFAs go as UFAs, but perhaps the downer is Trouba is a year removed from playing in the NHL and the noise of the situation has caused.
It's not a horrible situation, but I am betting something gets resolved by late November (a trade, or a promise of trying for a trade if Trouba signs with the Jets)
2016 Offseason
This would have been the ideal time but I strongly suspect Overhardt wrecked this time frame by limiting the number of ideal destinations and having ridiculous salary demands for less desirable teams. Overhardt basically had veto powers simply by not agreeing to a contract.
I guess the limited ideal destinations did not pony up, wasting this time frame
December 1
If Trouba does not sign by December 1, he loses a year of NHL salary AND he becomes a UFA one year later. It is a huge cost to him if he doesn't sign.
This deadline should break Overhardt's offseason resolve. His camp should be more willing to extend destinations and be more reasonable in contract talks. That should make Trouba a more desirable trade prospect.
Chevy needs to ramp up this pressure by doing absolutely nothing until the latter part of November unless a sweetheart deal emerges (unlikely...I mean you guys think Fowler for Trouba is a good trade rofl).
2017 Offseason
If it somehow gets to that point, it does open up more potential for trades (draft, free agency etc), Overhardt looks like an idiot, Jets show their resolve by not letting RFAs go as UFAs, but perhaps the downer is Trouba is a year removed from playing in the NHL and the noise of the situation has caused.
It's not a horrible situation, but I am betting something gets resolved by late November (a trade, or a promise of trying for a trade if Trouba signs with the Jets)
Number1RedWingsFan52
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And since when did Edmonton become part of the United States, No way does Trouba play in Edmonton doubt he wants to play that far west. Other then Arizona it's been pretty much Eastern Conference teams looking into Trouba.
Kamiccolo
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Err the Jets were supposed to be a playoff team this year. They are further ahead of the Leafs and Sabres, if they are not a playoff team something has gone very wrong with their rebuild. Especially considering last year they were seen as having an under performing roster with strong prospect pool, and all their prospects are in the NHL now.
Johnsson + Kapi + Sosh for Trouba? F THAT. No way you are getting that from the Leafs. We'll fill that hole via FA or the draft.
No need to gut our prospect pool for a primadona who will whine when things do go the way they want it too and will hold out for money they aren't worth.
Don't agree with your assessment of the 2016 offseason. It's just as likely that Chevy had already decided he was going to make Trouba rot and was asking for the moon and a half. There was a rumor on the Boston board that someone asked for Pasta + two 1sts for a d-man. Which d-man that is was unclear, but it being Trouba wouldn't be surprising, and there is no way the Bruins make that deal in a 1000 years.
I highly doubt the Jets challenge for the playoffs this year. They are one of the youngest teams in the league (4th behind Edmonton, Columbus and Buffalo). Their prospects are in the NHL now, but I don't think anyone expects Morrissey, Connor, Laine or even Ehlers to be game breakers just yet. Give them 2-3 years and they'll be good, but I don't really expect them to be a playoff team this year.
Jets have 4 rookies in the line-up. They would like to compete this year, but the GM and coach have made it clear that they see it as another development year for the team.
All of the Leafs top prospects are in their line-up this year. Does that make them a playoff contender?
Johnsson, Kapanen and Soshnikov "guts" your prospect pool? Well, that's not very encouraging. I don't think any of them could make the Jets' top-9 in the foreseeable future. So don't worry, the Jets aren't going to take three "meh" forward prospects for Trouba. Leafs can hang onto them.
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