Yeah honesty from management sucks.
Oh boy. If you can't see the difference between being accountable for your own failures versus shrugging your shoulders asking one to lower expectations... I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah honesty from management sucks.
You understand the general statement is rather for us as fans to lower our expectations rather than Ken Holland make any kind of effort to make the team a cup contender again, right? I am not expecting a cup every season (certainly not with this team), but I am expecting the team's management to make moves that would facilitate another championship.
Yeah honesty from management sucks.
Agree to disagree. I think it's more like saying "It's Harvard, if you expect to always be the best student in the class you're in the wrong school. "'Its Harvard, you shouldn't expect A's!'
That's what he is saying. That is the mantra of every C student, stoner, and slacker ever. 'Well if you'd only lower your exception of me you'd be happier'. It's not honesty, its setting the bar low enough that when they just miss it they can still claim success.
Agree to disagree. I think it's more like saying "It's Harvard, if you expect to always be the best student in the class you're in the wrong school. "
Any GM that promises cups in this league is straight up lying. Fans who expect cups are setting themselves up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations. Even pre-cap I didn't expect cups. I expected them to contend, but the Stanley Cup is as difficult as it gets to win. This isn't the NBA or NFL.
Agree to disagree. I think it's more like saying "It's Harvard, if you expect to always be the best student in the class you're in the wrong school. "
Any GM that promises cups in this league is straight up lying. Fans who expect cups are setting themselves up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations. Even pre-cap I didn't expect cups. I expected them to contend, but the Stanley Cup is as difficult as it gets to win. This isn't the NBA or NFL.
He's also said his goal is to win a Stanley Cup and talked about wanting to build an elite core through the draft, but those comments get conveniently ignored.Maybe not the best student, but to at least try to be the best. The way Holland is talking being able to say you were close to getting in is good enough. He is using 'well A's are hard' (IE its hard to contend for a cup) to be able to pass off his mediocrity.
You are reducing it to a year-in year-out basis (which no fan should realistically expect their team to win any and every year), when the entire point is building a team that is meant to contend for cups. The only reason to talk about how hard it is to win cups is to reduce the expectations for him as a GM to make a championship happen.
If it is hard, then find a new role on the team. Let someone who places high expectations of himself do the job.
Anyways, I guess it's funny to see the crowd that's been begging for a tank accusing Holland of lacking competitive spirit.
His family just built a $3 billiom arena. No way they want it to be half empty.
I get the feeling the winds of change are coming. Chris Illitch said he has faith in Holland. He never said he was my guy. He never talked bout a contract extinsion.
His family just built a $3 billiom arena. No way they want it to be half empty.
That's a pretty dishonest and intentional misrepresentation of basically every point of view you disagree with. I guess it's impossible to want a GM who wants to compete for cups, and simultaneously believe that tanking is the best way to get the franchise there. I can't wait to see what form the ******** equivocation takes this time.
I guess it's impossible to see a light hearted comment for what it is. You're appeal to equivocation understimates my willingness to engage in, or I'd say history of attempts to extract, a point by point discussion regarding the same tired argument about the infallibility of aggressive rebuilds that crops up in every single thread on this board.
It's hardly light-hearted when you're going after everyone for being hypocrites. Unless you mean light-hearted in a 'look at what all these idiots who disagree with me think, am I right guys?!' way.
I'd suggest using a dictionary before a thesaurus, next time, though. Not once did I suggest you have that discussion - only that you stop the deliberate dishonesty.
....I can’t be the only one concerned we signed him for two more years after this one...
....he seems no better than any of the young guys we could bring up who make 800k
I actually don’t mind Daley or his type of addition. Admittedly, I haven’t liked Daley since his days in Dallas, so my expectations were low, but he’s good enough and he’s tradeable. He can do a little bit of everything, is relatively cheap, and is short-term. He’s the type of guy someone always wants to take a chance on. We could’ve gotten Pittsburg Daley. We didn’t. But we still got a guy who could be moved for a late 2nd rounder if need be. That’s a win in my book.
While not as bad contract wise as the other monstrosities on this roster, I can’t be the only one concerned we signed him for two more years after this one...
Dude is superfluous at best. I’m sure some of it has to do with Blash’s system but, as of right now, he seems no better than any of the young guys we could bring up who make 800k
More than likely one of Hronek, Cholo, or Salivarjiconcerned for what reason? wings won't be competing for any cups over the next two years....who cares if he's on the roster or not?
Welcome to our entire defensive roster once we trade Green in a few months. We are going to need a veteran for 1-2 years while Kronwall and E retire very soon. Don't worry, we will have all new crappy rookies on our D gettingg paid pennies in no time! (hopefully some will be better than expected)
3Mil is pretty cheap for an acceptable top 4 D. Worst case hes tradable, best case he helps teach Hronek/Cholowski some things.