Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Gearing Up for the Off-season Editon

[sandviper]

Just so you guys are aware Ryan O’Reilly takes the most face offs in the league and wins like 60% of them so it will fix our face off percentage. He’s also an excellent two way player and is suited to be 2nd line Center. Then if we land Tavares? The offensive #1 Center will be fixed. Then Dahlin will also fix our lack of puck moving defenseman.

Well, not to be a Debbie Downer, but you also posed a possible worst case scenario as well if you substitute teams...

1) Statistically speaking, Sabres have the best chance at Dahlin. So, let’s assume for a moment they draft him.
2) Buffalo is less than a couple hours away from Toronto. Tavares can be close to home without all the media. His buddy Okposo is there also, lol.
3) ROR is already there.
4) They got some player name Eichel.

Now, I’m just messing around, but if Buffalo manages all that, we’re gonna be stuck in the cellar of the Atlantic division for years.

 

[Scintillating10]

Go get O'Reilly.

I can't see that as possible. He makes 7 million and will cost our first pick

 

[SakuKoivu11]

I can't see that as possible. He makes 7 million and will cost our first pick

Eichel new contract kicks in. Buffalo is not a cap team. They also have Casey Middlestad coming up and a few RFA so I do see them moving O’Reilly ‘s $7 mil for Galchenyuk’s $4.9 mil. They will still need to reduce more because Buffalo is a market similar to Florida and New Jersey s market.

 

[Bieber fever]

Matt Martin for futurs

The guy is tough to play against

 

[Price4Prez]

I can't see that as possible. He makes 7 million and will cost our first pick

Who cares. We have tons of money and cap space and our 1st pick will never be as good as OReilly. Let alone at center.

Our greatest odds are that we choose 6th. There is no player/center, that will be as impactful as OReilly. And if you like to dream, even IF that is even remotely possible, it wont be within the next 3-5 yrs.

We need that #1 center. We havent been able to draft one in decades. Time we trade for one, at all costs!

 

[Ozmodiar]

Just so you guys are aware Ryan O’Reilly takes the most face offs in the league and wins like 60% of them so it will fix our face off percentage. He’s also an excellent two way player and is suited to be 2nd line Center. Then if we land Tavares? The offensive #1 Center will be fixed. Then Dahlin will also fix our lack of puck moving defenseman.

O'Reilly + Tavares + Dahlin would work if there was no Cap.

If they trade Max for O'Reilly, that leaves them around 10.5 to pay Tavares. Price money. I doubt he would accept that. They could give JT a bit more if Galchenyuk is traded instead, but then Max will need a new contract the following season.

... and there's the potential bonuses that Dahlin could earn as the #1 OA pick.

Before any of these back-to-contenters dream scenarios can happen, MB has to move bad contracts - Alzner and Shaw, in particular. Once that unlikely event happens, we can move on to the next unlikely event of landing 2 top 6 centers and the 1st OA pick. The work would still be incomplete as help is needed on defense.

 

[mariolemieux66]

O'Reilly + Tavares + Dahlin would work if there was no Cap.

If they trade Max for O'Reilly, that leaves them around 10.5 to pay Tavares. Price money. I doubt he would accept that. They could give JT a bit more if Galchenyuk is traded instead, but then Max will need a new contract the following season.

... and there's the potential bonuses that Dahlin could earn as the #1 OA pick.

Before any of these back-to-contenters dream scenarios can happen, MB has to move bad contracts - Alzner and Shaw, in particular. Once that unlikely event happens, we can move on to the next unlikely event of landing 2 top 6 centers and the 1st OA pick. The work would still be incomplete as help is needed on defense.

And with this scenario, we are still missing a top 4 dmen, which we wouldn't be able to afford, which leaves one of Benn, Schlemko, Reilly, Vialev, Mete, Lernout or Juulsen in the top 4. We will score a few more goals but will allowed as much. Its still a shitty team.

 

[justafan22]

It'll either be Mete + Poehling + a 2nd for ROR, or their 1st rounder + filler for ROR. One is a good deal, the other isn't.

 

[The Great Weal]

With the cap going up it could work. But getting all those guys is very unlikely.

 

[The Great Weal]

And with this scenario, we are still missing a top 4 dmen, which we wouldn't be able to afford, which leaves one of Benn, Schlemko, Reilly, Vialev, Mete, Lernout or Juulsen in the top 4. We will score a few more goals but will allowed as much. Its still a ****ty team.

It's most definitely not a shitty team. 2 franchise changing players and an elite #1 centerman would do wonders for this team. You can easily get creative to get a rental, and we would have to trade a roster player with salary for Oreilly anyways. We would go from the worst center core to one of the best.

 

[Scintillating10]

Who cares. We have tons of money and cap space and our 1st pick will never be as good as OReilly. Let alone at center.

Our greatest odds are that we choose 6th. There is no player/center, that will be as impactful as OReilly. And if you like to dream, even IF that is even remotely possible, it wont be within the next 3-5 yrs.

We need that #1 center. We havent been able to draft one in decades. Time we trade for one, at all costs!

Who cares???? We have a high pick, trading it for a guy who is 9 years older. Didn't we learn something in Weber trade? ROR is not a #1 center and hasn't done much for the teams he played for in Buffalo and Colorado. I suspect his attitude in dressing room is why as he has been vocal in media in both cities. Majority of class guys wouldn't do that. And, I haven't even mentioned who the 7 million may bring in a trade/signing.

 

[yianik]

As I have said before , my absolute no.1 target as a trade partner for Patches is Florida. For a signed Patches I want Borgstrom and their 1st , which is 15th OA.

If that trade were to happen I wonder what it would take to move up a few spots. Carolina seems to want to be " tougher" to play against. Would the 15th and Shaw get us the 11th OA from Carolina ? If no, what about adding a late 2nd ? If no , would Calgary with 12thOA have interest?

I want to be close to the top 10 because there are centres who could be BPA around there, like Kotkaniemi, and we need to get top 6 centre prospects into the system. This applies whether we sign Tavares or not, let alone pick ups like Stastny or ROR.

If a guy like Dellandrea was there at 35 I would likely snag him as well.

Having Poehling, Borgstrom and say Kotkaniemi would give us a very sttong pool of top 6C candidates , maybe even one of whom could be a no.1, though that might be a bit optimistic.

 

[Lozela]

If Buffalo are smart, they will ask Pacioretty for O'Reilley. They traded Kane and now they need a good veteran winger to play with Eichel. Pacioretty can be a big brother to Eichel and he has a track record of scoring goals. It's not the time to ask for young players.

If both team don't do that deal, they are just plain stupid. MTL might try to add a bad contract like Shaw or Alzner but the deal would be a win-win and Pacioretty could pretty much sign long term with Buffalo.

If MTL really want to get rid of Galchenyuk, they need to go after Brodin. I'd even do a 1 on 1 deal.

If you want to add veteran presence without trading Price, then you need to go after Stasny and Rick Nash. Yes he is old but can still play, could be a big brother to McCaron and impose respect in the lockeroom

 

[Lozela]

Oh and BTW, Bugstad should be a target if you want to get bigger. At this point, MTL just need to get bigger.

You have Drouin, Gallagher, Hudon, Lehkonen and Byron. You can dress only 3 out of the 5 if you want to have success.

 

[Lozela]

I would hit the reset button





Free Agent Signings

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Tavares, John	7	$12,500,000
Nash, Rick	2	$5,000,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Danault, Phillip	4	$2,000,000
McCarron, Michael	2	$900,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

CREATED	YEARS	CAP HIT
Kovalchuck, Ilya	3	$5,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Trades

MTL

1. Talbot, C
2. Lucic, M
3. Puljujärvi, J
4. 2019 1st round pick (EDM)
5. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)

EDM

1. Price, C.
2. Shaw, A.

MTL

1. O'Reilly, R ($2,500,000 retained)
2. Scandella, M
3. 2019 2nd round pick (SJS)

BUF

1. Pacioretty, M.
2. Schlemko, D.
3. Lehkonen, A.
4. 2019 1st round pick (EDM)

MTL

1. Brodin, J

MIN

1. Galchenyuk, A.

Buyouts

• Karl Alzner: $0

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$80,000,000	$79,833,810	$3,100,000	$166,190

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Wing	Center	Right Wing
Kovalchuck, Ilya $5,500,000	Tavares, John $12,500,000 C UFA	Puljujärvi, Jesse $925,000 RW RFA - 1
Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000 LW, C UFA - 5	O'Reilly, Ryan $5,000,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 5	Nash, Rick $5,000,000 LW, RW UFA
Lucic, Milan $6,000,000 LW NMC UFA - 5	Danault, Phillip $2,000,000 C RFA	Gallagher, Brendan $3,750,000 RW UFA - 3
Deslauriers, Nicolas $950,000 LW UFA - 2	McCarron, Michael $900,000 RW, C RFA	Byron, Paul $1,166,667 LW, RW UFA - 1
Hudon, Charles $650,000 LW RFA - 1	Scherbak, Nikita $863,333 RW RFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Brodin, Jonas $4,166,667 D UFA - 3	Weber, Shea $7,857,143 D UFA - 8	Talbot, Cam $4,166,667 NTC UFA - 1
Scandella, Marco $4,000,000 D UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff $5,500,000 D NMC NTC UFA - 3	Lindgren, Charlie $750,000 UFA - 3
Benn, Jordie $1,100,000 D UFA - 1	Juulsen, Noah $863,333 D RFA - 2
Reilly, Mike $725,000 D RFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Luigi Habs]

Well, not to be a Debbie Downer, but you also posed a possible worst case scenario as well if you substitute teams...

1) Statistically speaking, Sabres have the best chance at Dahlin. So, let’s assume for a moment they draft him.
2) Buffalo is less than a couple hours away from Toronto. Tavares can be close to home without all the media. His buddy Okposo is there also, lol.
3) ROR is already there.
4) They got some player name Eichel.

Now, I’m just messing around, but if Buffalo manages all that, we’re gonna be stuck in the cellar of the Atlantic division for years.

Buffalo still need a goalie or Tavares would go to another Islanders situation.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Max + Lindgren for ROR. And whatever picks need to be exchanged. And no, if Sabres are getting Max and the help from Habs to remove ROR's 7.5M for the next 5 years, they do not get Habs' 1st.

 

[Price4Prez]

Who cares???? We have a high pick, trading it for a guy who is 9 years older. Didn't we learn something in Weber trade? ROR is not a #1 center and hasn't done much for the teams he played for in Buffalo and Colorado. I suspect his attitude in dressing room is why as he has been vocal in media in both cities. Majority of class guys wouldn't do that. And, I haven't even mentioned who the 7 million may bring in a trade/signing.

Judging by this comment, you haven't watched O'Reilly at all. O'Reilly is light years away from anything we have in the organization. And if you even do the least amount of research, you'd see that O'Reilly is amongst the best centers of the league. Sure, he isn't Crosby or McDavid and won't score 90 pts but no center we can get will score that. There is certainly no center prospect that has that potential this year.

Dont know what you're talking about attitude wise. We need MORE vocal players that can produce results on ice. That was Subbans number one quality.

So again,who cares about a pick that cant getus a center. We can draft top 3 for 3 years ,never draft a center and still be in the same spot. You cant win cups without centers.

 

[Adam Michaels]

With the cap going up it could work. But getting all those guys is very unlikely.

The good news for Habs cap situation next year is that if the cap remains at 75M (which it won't), they have 13.3M tied up in 20 players. So as things stand now, they have all that money to spend on 3 more roster spots. There are other teams that have more cap space, but have a lot more roster spots to fill up. For example, Buffalo has 19.1M available to them next year. However, they only have 13 roster spots taken.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

Would you deal Shaw for Sutter? I could see VAN being interested in Shaw.

 

[theghost1]

I would hit the reset button





Free Agent Signings

UFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Tavares, John	7	$12,500,000
Nash, Rick	2	$5,000,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Danault, Phillip	4	$2,000,000
McCarron, Michael	2	$900,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

CREATED	YEARS	CAP HIT
Kovalchuck, Ilya	3	$5,500,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Trades

MTL

1. Talbot, C
2. Lucic, M
3. Puljujärvi, J
4. 2019 1st round pick (EDM)
5. 2020 2nd round pick (EDM)

EDM

1. Price, C.
2. Shaw, A.

MTL

1. O'Reilly, R ($2,500,000 retained)
2. Scandella, M
3. 2019 2nd round pick (SJS)

BUF

1. Pacioretty, M.
2. Schlemko, D.
3. Lehkonen, A.
4. 2019 1st round pick (EDM)

MTL

1. Brodin, J

MIN

1. Galchenyuk, A.

Buyouts

• Karl Alzner: $0

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$80,000,000	$79,833,810	$3,100,000	$166,190

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Wing	Center	Right Wing
Kovalchuck, Ilya $5,500,000	Tavares, John $12,500,000 C UFA	Puljujärvi, Jesse $925,000 RW RFA - 1
Drouin, Jonathan $5,500,000 LW, C UFA - 5	O'Reilly, Ryan $5,000,000 C, LW, RW UFA - 5	Nash, Rick $5,000,000 LW, RW UFA
Lucic, Milan $6,000,000 LW NMC UFA - 5	Danault, Phillip $2,000,000 C RFA	Gallagher, Brendan $3,750,000 RW UFA - 3
Deslauriers, Nicolas $950,000 LW UFA - 2	McCarron, Michael $900,000 RW, C RFA	Byron, Paul $1,166,667 LW, RW UFA - 1
Hudon, Charles $650,000 LW RFA - 1	Scherbak, Nikita $863,333 RW RFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Brodin, Jonas $4,166,667 D UFA - 3	Weber, Shea $7,857,143 D UFA - 8	Talbot, Cam $4,166,667 NTC UFA - 1
Scandella, Marco $4,000,000 D UFA - 2	Petry, Jeff $5,500,000 D NMC NTC UFA - 3	Lindgren, Charlie $750,000 UFA - 3
Benn, Jordie $1,100,000 D UFA - 1	Juulsen, Noah $863,333 D RFA - 2
Reilly, Mike $725,000 D RFA - 1

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Awful why would Tavares sign in Montreal if Price is not here.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Would you deal Shaw for Sutter? I could see VAN being interested in Shaw.

5 mil for a 35 points player is not what we need to trade Shaw for. Shaw needs to be include in a package or traded for a pick/picks.

 

[Runner77]

We've got Gallagher, Scherbak on the RW (Shaw too, but he can play all three positions).
Hudon, Byron, Galchenyuk, Drouin and Pacioretty on LW.

Lehkonen plays both wings.

I just can't see the team come back with all these wingers. Someone will be traded, if not two of them. Not saying its the right move, it isn't, but its what I think will happen.

It's the only place where they have a little depth. It's pretty clear they'll hope for a top 3 pick, then buy as much as they can from the UFA market and I imagine, trade once they know what they really have at that point.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

5 mil for a 35 points player is not what we need to trade Shaw for. Shaw needs to be include in a package or traded for a pick/picks.

He makes 4.375M vs 3.9M but his deal ends a year earlier. He's a RH centerman and can PK. It's not ideal by any means but he might be a better fit than Shaw due to discipline and being a better C.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Anyone willing to trade our first round pick for Ryan O’Reilly needs to have a CT scan.