Confirmed with Link: [TOR/TBL] TOR Acquires Brian Boyle For Byron Froese + 2nd Round Pick 2017

[SoVi3t]

So does this mean Bye Bye Bozak?

 

[diceman934]

Calling you names means i know less about hockey than you? Weird. I would bet a lot you do know more about hockey than me that doesn't bother me, why do you (more so the other guy in this case) get to tell people what they can and can't do on a forum on the internet?

Calling me names mean that you can not form a argument....


The poster i question constantly posts bs and I called him out on it as did another poster. Stating that we have only a number 4 D man is the type of stuff this posters posts. Earlier this year he argued with me about sending a player down early in tryouts to avoid having the player go through waivers....he insisted he was right even when I posted the rule.. this is but one example.

 

[notdoneyet]

I'm sure that Lou talked to hunter
We had two seconds this year and two next
I'm sure they talked and agreed this year is a weak draft so
That is why it's this year

Too many drama queens on this site

Lou and company know more about hockey than anyone
On these boards

 

[Christ]

This is a real weak entry draft .. Likely the worst in a decade.

Leafs have multiple 2nds also.

Had...traded one in the Anderson deal, just traded a second here. We have one second left, the lowest of the three.

 

[diceman934]

So does this mean Bye Bye Bozak?

Or maybe he is hurt worse that what was reported.

 

[Its not your fault]

Positive mind set amongst players has to be a good plus as well

 

[Walshy7]

Calling me names mean that you can not form a argument....


The poster i question constantly posts bs and I called him out on it as did another poster. Stating that we have only a number 4 D man is the type of stuff this posters posts. Earlier this year he argued with me about sending a player down early in tryouts to avoid having the player go through waivers....he insisted he was right even when I posted the rule.. this is but one example.

Alright pos I apologize for that was too far.

My point is there are far worse than that over dramatic guy you are talking about, ignore them don't tell them don't post here anymore because you think they lack hockey knowledge if you can't show them why you are right then maybe they are a troll and should be ignored. I just hate the "really shows who doesn't underdstand hockey" "maybe you shouldn't post here anymore" type comments they come off as extremely arrogant and as I said anyone can do what they want as can you with the ignore button

 

[Mess]

Had...traded one in the Anderson deal, just traded a second here. We have one second left, the lowest of the three.

Yup extra 2nds is playing with house money here.

We might even see our last one go as well for help on D.

 

[PromisedLand]

meh, alright then...I still take Boyle over a 2nd and Froese any day

HF's obsession with draft picks are unreal.

I think if you add context these draft picks mean something.

Context:

- are leafs contending or rebuilding?

- Is the leaf scouting team same, worst or better than past regimes?

once you answer these questions and then judge Boyle as a player relative to his NHL peers it is a bad trade.

 

[thewave]

Aren't you the guy who was ok with trading our first and good prospect for green from Detroit

And now your upset about trading a second for one of the best fourth line guys in the league to get rid of a guy Ben smith who you continually complain about every game.
Wow just wow

No you lack reading comprehension or fail to read my posts.

We need a D period if they want to make an honest run. I don't know if I said a 1st for Green or not but I think he is signed for 3yrs at least.

We traded a 2nd for a guy that is slower than Goat and has 1% better on the dot percentage. He is more physical and has experience but does not ENSURE WE GET INTO THE PO. It was a whimsical trade at best unless they are going to trade for a 4D now etc. You almost have to go all in to justify this trade but also be aware we are not winning a conference or anything for that matter either way. Maybe a round if we pad the D some but this comes at the cost of long term growth and development so enjoy.

 

[Rick74*]

meh, alright then...I still take Boyle over a 2nd and Froese any day

HF's obsession with draft picks are unreal.

Well, Tampa Bay wouldn't.

You know Tampa Bay right? They are the team under performing and currently not in a play off spot...

 

[thewave]

Calling me names mean that you can not form a argument....


The poster i question constantly posts bs and I called him out on it as did another poster. Stating that we have only a number 4 D man is the type of stuff this posters posts. Earlier this year he argued with me about sending a player down early in tryouts to avoid having the player go through waivers....he insisted he was right even when I posted the rule.. this is but one example.

Your memory is even failing. I am the poster, I posted that in a question form because I did not know and even put a ? Since you know everything now, tell us how this ends Nostradamus.

PS. I don't know what the 4D man part was about it's unintelligible.

 

[Go4soda]

I lost quite a bit of faith in Lou and co. today. The promise they made at the beginning of this rebuild and indeed, reiterated this past week, was that the future was not going to be mortgaged for short-term gain. This trade looks like just that.

Boyle will undoubtedly help us. He's essentially a developed Goat, an elite 4th line guy to lineup beside another elite 4th liner in Matt Martin. Most importantly he'll push Ben Smith (possibly the NHL's worst regular player) out of the lineup and will fill that defensive/face-off specialist role we've been missing. He'll also bring some veteran leadership in the room, as well as hopefully have some time to work with Matthews and Kadri in the face-off dot.

All that is great... if he weren't a 32-year-old soon-to-be free agent. There's a good chance he'll be gone at the end the year, a year in which we're not locks to make the dance at all, let alone go for the Cup. He could be resigned of course, but at his age and role, it will be quite the risk to do anything more than two or three years. We now have only 2 picks in the first 3 rounds in this year's draft. For a team that is supposedly in a rebuild, that's not good enough. If Lou and co. manage to recoup this pick (i.e. Bozak or Hunlak trade) in the coming days, I'll retracted my criticism. Until then, I'm no fan.

Jesus. H. Christ......

You see this as mortgaging the future??? Really???
Ano established defensive forward who is a vet and a C that can move up and down the lineup and has a ton of playoff experience will do more for this young core's development than a mid 2nd round pick in a weak draft.

Get a grip.
Step back from the ledge.

 

[thewave]

Jesus. H. Christ......

You see this as mortgaging the future??? Really???
Ano established defensive forward who is a vet and a C that can move up and down the lineup and has a ton of playoff experience will do more for this young core's development than a mid 2nd round pick in a weak draft.

Get a grip.
Step back from the ledge.

Tell me how much better our chances are of making the PO with Boyle over Goat? Like give me a hard number how much better he makes this team.

 

[Rick74*]

Here's hoping that any further trade only involves Bozak or JVR. Stop ****ing with drafts and prospects, Lou.

We are a bubble team FFS. This year doesn't matter and neither do the play offs.

Next thing ya know we are gonna sign another ****ing Larry Murphy...

 

[Suntouchable13]

Tell me how much better our chances are of making the PO with Boyle over Goat? Like give me a hard number how much better he makes this team.

He can make this team slightly better which could be good enough. The difference between playoffs or no playoffs can be 1 or 2 points.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

I think if you add context these draft picks mean something.

Context:

- are leafs contending or rebuilding?

- Is the leaf scouting team same, worst or better than past regimes?

once you answer these questions and then judge Boyle as a player relative to his NHL peers it is a bad trade.

What I see is that the Leafs are in a playoff spot with a weak defence corps and a horrible 4th line centre with Ben Smith. Smith now hopefully permanently comes out of the lineup with Boyle taking his spot.

Currently in a playoff spot: [x]
4th line centre spot addressed: [x]
Defence corps improved: [ ]

Defence is likely going to be improved before the deadline. Also "judge Boyle as a player relative to his NHL peers" lol? Is that a joke? He's been one of the best 4th/3rd liners in the league since 2010

 

[thewave]

Here's hoping that any further trade only involves Bozak or JVR. Stop ****ing with drafts and prospects, Lou.

We are a bubble team FFS. This year doesn't matter and neither do the play offs.

Next thing ya know we are gonna sign another ****ing Larry Murphy...

When insanity is in the majority, the odds favor exactly that happening my man.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Here's hoping that any further trade only involves Bozak or JVR. Stop ****ing with drafts and prospects, Lou.

We are a bubble team FFS. This year doesn't matter and neither do the play offs.

Next thing ya know we are gonna sign another ****ing Larry Murphy...

One thing I agree with you, I hope Lou trades Bozak or JvR.

 

[Steven1562]

Tell me how much better our chances are of making the PO with Boyle over Goat? Like give me a hard number how much better he makes this team.

Ill tell you what i would rather Boyle take this draw then our inexperienced rookie. This draw cost us 1 maybe 2 points. With the race so tight ill take the playoff experience of Boyle.

 

[The CyNick]

This is a thread that shows who knows hockey and who does not....

It truly is a study in hockey knowledge and the nuances that go into making a team.

Our 4th line is now a whole lot better and can be used differently then before with more minutes and more as a match up line then before. We are just going out west to play some pretty heavy teams and Boyle makes us a much bigger team that is not as easy to push around.

We gave up a scrub and a 2nd round pick and still have a 2nd and a arm full of picks.

I feel the same for the most part. It's funny, the people who are actually in the game, or have played the game have universally praised this trade. The people who follow hockey on message boards are the ones who don't like it. One group I value their opinion far greater than the other.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

Well, Tampa Bay wouldn't.

You know Tampa Bay right? They are the team under performing and currently not in a play off spot...

And? We're in a playoff spot and it's become pretty clear this team wants the playoffs. What's your point?

 

[pylon17]

What are the conditions on the pick?

 

[Shanty]

Tell me how much better our chances are of making the PO with Boyle over Goat? Like give me a hard number how much better he makes this team.

No one in his post does he make any claim that Boyle turns us into a playoff team.

To follow that up, since you've said it up and down this thread, who is this Top-4 D you want, and what are you willing to give up for him?

 

[Menzinger]

I think if you add context these draft picks mean something.

Context:

- are leafs contending or rebuilding?

- Is the leaf scouting team same, worst or better than past regimes?

once you answer these questions and then judge Boyle as a player relative to his NHL peers it is a bad trade.

Though, there are obviously tiers between contending vs rebuilding. The Leafs are a team moving beyond the rebuild stage, but not quite contenders yet. Scouting is obviously better, but quality of drafts will always place constraints on its effectiveness.

And any Boyle comparison should be made in context: among 4th liners he would be in the upper echelon.