Confirmed with Link: [TOR/TBL] TOR Acquires Brian Boyle For Byron Froese + 2nd Round Pick 2017

[thewave]

I read your posts and you definitely said a first. Whatever spin you want to put on it green isn't worth trading our first and a good prospect for but you did think that's a good idea.

Now your upset about a second because you think we are selling the farm.

Double standard and again I trust what this management does as opposed to someone who wants to trade a first for an old dman

No I think he is the wrong player to get. If they really feel this confident in this team then should have spent that 2nd + on a T4D for the run. It's what we REALLY need.

 

[Rick74*]

At this point, purely a rental for Boyle to Toronto. No contract extension discussed. #NHLTrade

— John Shannon (@JSportsnet) February 27, 2017

2nd rounder for 20 games of a 4th line center with barely better face off percentage than our rookie...

 

[PromisedLand]

One thing missing from your analysis is what would it be worth in development value to make the playoffs. I personally think that has a ton of value, especially this season with all the crap this team/town has suffered over the years and with all the rookies we have ... a round or two of playoff hockey in this town and the air over this city would be fresher and cleaner than it has been in many, many years. I would go a step further and say that making the playoffs this season has more value than it has had at any time since I started following this team almost 50 years ago. Once you factor that in, the trade might not be so bad. But maybe you think making the playoffs doesn't matter?

You argument is based on the assumption that Leafs are going to make the playoffs. Leafs have the worst schedule (condensed with most back to backs); D-core is still a hail mary most nights, goalies are bound to get tired and left hung out to dry.

Making the playoffs and do what exactly? Hawks, Kings etc.... didn't trade their 2nd rounders for a 4th liner to make the playoffs; the 2nd rounders were traded for better support cast for their prime players when they were ready.

By throwing away our 2nd rounder on a 4th liner we are basically signalling that our scouting is not good enough to draft an NHLer with the 2nd rounder. I think Hunter is much better than that.

This is a "first" year of rebuild - throwing away 2nd rounders on 4th liners is insanity IMO

 

[Warden of the North]

All of our seconds are going to be pretty close to each other. Its not like we're giving up pick #32 here

 

[ErnieLeafs]

No I think he is the wrong player to get. If they really feel this confident in this team then should have spent that 2nd + on a T4D for the run. It's what we REALLY need.

Top 4 Dmen aren't moving for a 2nd and Byron Froese. Brian Boyle was, and he goes a long way to helping the club.

I'd love to see us move that last 2nd + Leipsic/Bracco + ________, in order to get ourselves a Dman, though.

 

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

at all the negative nancies over a 2nd rounder

 

[Stephen]

You argument is based on the assumption that Leafs are going to make the playoffs. Leafs have the worst schedule (condensed with most back to backs); D-core is still a hail mary most nights, goalies are bound to get tired and left hung out to dry.

Making the playoffs and do what exactly? Hawks, Kings etc.... didn't trade their 2nd rounders for a 4th liner to make the playoffs; the 2nd rounders were traded for better support cast for their prime players when they were ready.

By throwing away our 2nd rounder on a 4th liner we are basically signalling that our scouting is not good enough to draft an NHLer with the 2nd rounder. I think Hunter is much better than that.

This is a "first" year of rebuild - throwing away 2nd rounders on 4th liners is insanity IMO

I tend to agree in general terms, but this is an unusual rebuild in the sense we have so many kids making such a big impact and it's supposedly a very weak draft, so this could be the equivalent of a lower pick in most drafts.

This is essentially JFJ trading the second round pick for Yanic Perreault, only difference is our cupboards are full.

 

[SprDaVE]

At this point, purely a rental for Boyle to Toronto. No contract extension discussed. #NHLTrade

— John Shannon (@JSportsnet) February 27, 2017

2nd rounder for 20 games of a 4th line center with barely better face off percentage than our rookie...

He's a lot better than just a faceoff specialist.

I think an extension will be discussed in the near future.

 

[thewave]

You argument is based on the assumption that Leafs are going to make the playoffs. Leafs have the worst schedule (condensed with most back to backs); D-core is still a hail mary most nights, goalies are bound to get tired and left hung out to dry.

Making the playoffs and do what exactly? Hawks, Kings etc.... didn't trade their 2nd rounders for a 4th liner to make the playoffs; the 2nd rounders were traded for better support cast for their prime players when they were ready.

By throwing away our 2nd rounder on a 4th liner we are basically signalling that our scouting is not good enough to draft an NHLer with the 2nd rounder. I think Hunter is much better than that.

This is a "first" year of rebuild - throwing away 2nd rounders on 4th liners is insanity IMO

I honestly hope we fall off a cliff for only one reason. So we can Draft Foote in the first round, where we have a pick. TB banked that we were going to **** the bed you know, they get the best of our 2nds.. haha smart.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

The dramatics in this thread are intense. People are in the Oscars mood still.

 

[Warden of the North]

You argument is based on the assumption that Leafs are going to make the playoffs. Leafs have the worst schedule (condensed with most back to backs); D-core is still a hail mary most nights, goalies are bound to get tired and left hung out to dry.

Making the playoffs and do what exactly? Hawks, Kings etc.... didn't trade their 2nd rounders for a 4th liner to make the playoffs; the 2nd rounders were traded for better support cast for their prime players when they were ready.

By throwing away our 2nd rounder on a 4th liner we are basically signalling that our scouting is not good enough to draft an NHLer with the 2nd rounder. I think Hunter is much better than that.

This is a "first" year of rebuild - throwing away 2nd rounders on 4th liners is insanity IMO

If that was true Hunter would quit.

Did you think that maybe Hunter told them he doesnt really think the chances of an impact player in the 2nd round were good?

 

[thewave]

Top 4 Dmen aren't moving for a 2nd and Byron Froese. Brian Boyle was, and he goes a long way to helping the club.

I'd love to see us move that last 2nd + Leipsic/Bracco + ________, in order to get ourselves a Dman, though.

Then do nothing, it's not a year to strike. Do that next year if they look good. I still think we are going to get overtaken. No T4D no PO

 

[Steven1562]

I honestly hope we fall off a cliff for only one reason. So we can Draft Foote in the first round, where we have a pick. TB banked that we were going to **** the bed you know, they get the best of our 2nds.. haha smart.

So your cheering for us to fail now ? Seriously are you even a fan of this team?

 

[Drew311]

At this point, purely a rental for Boyle to Toronto. No contract extension discussed. #NHLTrade

— John Shannon (@JSportsnet) February 27, 2017

2nd rounder for 20 games of a 4th line center with barely better face off percentage than our rookie...

I'm sure the Leafs will want to re-sign him, and getting him in Toronto for a couple months could give them the inside track in July. The Leafs are a first-class organization with a bright future, so there is a good chance Boyle will be back next year.

 

[PromisedLand]

Gauthier? The guy Babcock sent down a month ago in favour of Smith? And only called up recently because he realized Smith is the worst player on this team? He's not our 4th line centre, Gauthier is not ready yet for the NHL. He doesn't do much out there. People are fine with that for some reason but that's not good enough, you need every player doing something than just taking draws then skating around for 20-30 seconds. Also, Gauthier has to be one of the softest 6'5" 230 pound players I've ever seen. Would rather he be playing bigger minutes on the Marlies.

Boyle wasn't traded here to tear it up offensively so I don't know why you're linking his goals, assists, and points. He was brought in to solidify a weakness in our lineup so that we can continue to flourish where we are already strong. But with that said, Boyle is a lot better offensively than Smith and Gauthier.

the bolded should be enough to say that Babcock makes errors like any other coach/human being in judging players.

Babs sends GOAT down in favour of Smith (bad judgment call)
Babs pressboxes Smith in favour of GOAT (good judgment call)

Basically, Babs learned from his mistake. I will give credit to Babs that his ego is not too big to keep playing "his" players. He is evolving as a coach relative to his Detroit days.

GOAT skates, has decent shot and is good at FO in his first NHL season. GOAT is only going to improve playing NHL. In AHL is he going to learn how to win draws against NHLers?

 

[Smif]

I read somewhere that we have a 60% chance to make the playoffs. Adding Boyle boosts that number up by 5% bit that doesn't include the number you need to subtract by not having Gauthier in the lineup. Don't know that number unfortunately.

 

[Paradoc]

At this point, purely a rental for Boyle to Toronto. No contract extension discussed. #NHLTrade

— John Shannon (@JSportsnet) February 27, 2017

2nd rounder for 20 games of a 4th line center with barely better face off percentage than our rookie...

It's been mentioned but they can't sign him right now due to the fact that they would have to expose one of Leivo, Komarov, and Boyle, which the management does not want to do. They will look at extending him as soon as the expansion draft is over.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I honestly hope we fall off a cliff for only one reason. So we can Draft Foote in the first round, where we have a pick. TB banked that we were going to **** the bed you know, they get the best of our 2nds.. haha smart.

To cheer for your young team that has come so far, and fought so hard to be in this position, to completely implode and fall off, may be the most deplorable reaction I've ever heard, not even taking into account that it's over trading a 2nd and a career AHL journeyman.

Good grief.

 

[thewave]

So your cheering for us to fail now ?

No I just hope we get a good D. So should you really because Boyle will be gone next season and we will still need a T4D.

 

[Menzinger]

the bolded should be enough to say that Babcock makes errors like any other coach/human being in judging players.

Babs sends GOAT down in favour of Smith (bad judgment call)
Babs pressboxes Smith in favour of GOAT (good judgment call)

Basically, Babs learned from his mistake. I will give credit to Babs that his ego is not too big to keep playing "his" players. He is evolving as a coach relative to his Detroit days.

GOAT skates, has decent shot and is good at FO in his first NHL season. GOAT is only going to improve playing NHL. In AHL is he going to learn how to win draws against NHLers?

The goat does not have a decent shot - he's always been mediocre offensively. He can't even put up noticeable numbers in the AHL.

He underwhelmed during his call up. I'll never understand how he's managed to get such a large group of supporters......

 

[thewave]

To cheer for your young team that has come so far, and fought so hard to be in this position, to completely implode and fall off, may be the most deplorable reaction I've ever heard, not even taking into account that it's over trading a 2nd and a career AHL journeyman.

Good grief.

I am going to be right about this. I already am and you just don't know it yet.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

By throwing away our 2nd rounder on a 4th liner we are basically signalling that our scouting is not good enough to draft an NHLer with the 2nd rounder. I think Hunter is much better than that.

This is a "first" year of rebuild - throwing away 2nd rounders on 4th liners is insanity IMO

Oh god you really need to re-evaluate where we are then in our rebuild. I can't believe I'm telling a fellow Leaf fan this but you need to accept that we are a lot better than what everyone thought we were going to be this year. We've exceeded expectations by miles and now the players themselves, the coaches, the front office wants playoffs.

Who ****ing cares what "year" it is and just see that RIGHT NOW we are a playoff team and LouLam is working as such.

 

[TLeafsFan]

No I just hope we get a good D. So should you really because Boyle will be gone next season and we will still need a T4D.

You can't say Boyle will be gone next season yet with any kind of certainty.

 

[Steven1562]

No I just hope we get a good D. So should you really because Boyle will be gone next season and we will still need a T4D.

Here's who i see could be available when we pick
Makar
Valimaki
Foote
Vaakanainen
Hague
Brannstrom
Jokiharju

All the scouts have different opinions on them. Cheering for a better draft pick seriously? Only D i see with top pairing potential is Liljegren and we do not suck enough to get him. All the names above could be top 4 D but what's the point to trying to tank for one of them.

 

[PromisedLand]

I tend to agree in general terms, but this is an unusual rebuild in the sense we have so many kids making such a big impact and it's supposedly a very weak draft, so this could be the equivalent of a lower pick in most drafts.

This is essentially JFJ trading the second round pick for Yanic Perreault, only difference is our cupboards are full.

this i think we have a difference in opinion. I really do not think our cupboards are full. we don't have depth in any place except wingers may be.