Save yer breath. He’s been a Caps hater for years. Might be related to Beagle, and thus is butt hurt the team didn’t resign him (and I loved Beagle, always over supported him during his time here)
Confirmed with Link: Tom Wilson re-signed 7 x $6.5 for $45.5 Million
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Sports bring out the worst in everyone.
Great (and rare) player, fan favorite, on-ice and locker-room leader, and future captain at a reasonable AAV on a contract that I think most fans would agree is two or three years too long, making it risky but not completely unmanageable in the last few years (even if things go into worst-case-scenario territory).
My biggest takeaway right now is a personal one: That it remains so wonderfully liberating to have scaled back my mental/emotional (not to mention financial) investment in the Caps (and in sports in general) following the Cup win. *Every fan's relationship to their teams/sports of choice is different.* But for me, it's so nice to just...not give (as much of) a f--k. No more obsessing over every move management did (or didn't) make. No more endless armchair-GM'ing about things out of my control, or doom-and-gloom speculation about the countless ways everything could/will go wrong.
I still enjoy watching and rooting for the Caps. At its best, it's exhilarating, and when it's not so great, it's still a mindless distraction from real-world worries. But if management decisions I don't agree with (including player contracts) and/or piss-poor on-ice results ever threaten to cause the negatives of me being a Caps fan to outweigh the positives, I can just shrug it off now, instead of allowing my fandom to veer back into miserable/unhealthy territory (which, IMO, is easier than most fans might realize).
Such sweet, sweet freedom.
My biggest takeaway right now is a personal one: That it remains so wonderfully liberating to have scaled back my mental/emotional (not to mention financial) investment in the Caps (and in sports in general) following the Cup win. *Every fan's relationship to their teams/sports of choice is different.* But for me, it's so nice to just...not give (as much of) a f--k. No more obsessing over every move management did (or didn't) make. No more endless armchair-GM'ing about things out of my control, or doom-and-gloom speculation about the countless ways everything could/will go wrong.
I still enjoy watching and rooting for the Caps. At its best, it's exhilarating, and when it's not so great, it's still a mindless distraction from real-world worries. But if management decisions I don't agree with (including player contracts) and/or piss-poor on-ice results ever threaten to cause the negatives of me being a Caps fan to outweigh the positives, I can just shrug it off now, instead of allowing my fandom to veer back into miserable/unhealthy territory (which, IMO, is easier than most fans might realize).
Such sweet, sweet freedom.
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Corby78
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Count me as happy. Dude will be our next captian, will be a good example for the kids and with that contract could be traded at the TDL in say 5-6 season is need be.
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The same people who hated rookie Tom Wilson for taking a roster spot from some finesse player I've long forgotten, and called him an ape who merely punches faces, are upset by this deal.
7yrs is longer than I expected but the AAV is very good NOW and will be a steal by the end of the contract.
Stay salty, my friends.
7yrs is longer than I expected but the AAV is very good NOW and will be a steal by the end of the contract.
Stay salty, my friends.
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He got bought out 4 years into his deal, I don't think that's aging just fine. Even that 49 point season you're lauding him for in Columbus still showed significant signs of reduced performance at even-strength, he just got uncontested PP1 time on a bad team. The next season he lost his PP1 spot, his raw production tumbled, and he was bought out after that.
Also considering Tom Wilson's highest goal total in his career would be tired for Hartnell's 5th highest and Wilson's highest point total would be tied for Hartnell's 4th highest - I don't think your arguments regarding "level of presence or elevating" really hold water. Even if you attribute that to Hartnell's bigger roles on the PP than Wilson, Hartnell still edges out Wilson in even strength production (and that's even without the surge in league-wide goals the past couple seasons - Hartnell was peaking during the lowest scoring stretch of post-lockout hockey). And Hartnell absolutely was a player who was noticed on the ice even when he wasn't scoring (and sometimes right after he did score). To put it this way, I'll be very pleasantly surprised if Tom Wilson ever has a 37 goal, 67 point season like Scott Hartnell did (and hopefully Wilson would have fewer than the 136PIMs Hartnell had that season).
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His $6.5 million cap hit would put him at the 76th highest paid forward this year FWIW
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I do want to see Tom play for a legit contender in a few years though.
I dont want him grinding out his last few years on non-playoff team.
I dont want him grinding out his last few years on non-playoff team.
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Dude you posted this ridiculous piece of shit:
Just look at that dotted line! Irreversible trend to Hell based on one year!
LOL
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Comparing raw season totals isn't particularly fair to Tom since most of his prime years have been shortened in one way or another, whether due to COVID, suspension, or injury. On a per game basis, Wilson was a higher PPG player in his age 23-28 seasons than Hartnell in his age 23-28 seasons, 0.62 vs 0.60 PPG. At even strength Wilson has a significant edge, with 0.49 ES PPG to Hartnell's 0.42. Wilson spent those years getting half the PP time as Hartnell (1:30 PP TOI/GP to 2:58) and twice the PK time (1:49 PK TOI/GP to 0:53). Hartnell played in a slightly lower scoring era (average of 2.91 G/game for Hartnell's age 23-28 seasons vs 3.05 for Wilson's), but his prime ended before the real doldrums of 11-16 so the difference isn't that great. Overall I'd say Wilson's similar or better than Hartnell offensively while playing a bigger role defensively. I don't remember Hartnell being as strong a skater as Wilson is either, but I could be wrong there.
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"Everty team in the league wishes they had a Scott Hartnell" said no one ever.
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And by son, TJ def means Ryan Leonard, one of his grown kids that traveled back in time to play with his dad.
I like the deal, the AAV is perfectly fine. He should be RW1 for the next 3 years to help Ovi with 895 (which is really the org’s main near term goal). Ovi needs him to create space, battle for pucks and help compensate for his atrocious defense (along with his center, be it Strome or Kuzy - they both suck defensively). Oh, and he’s a good playmaker and scorer. He’s the “unicorn” linemate that Ovi needs at this point in his career.
After Ovi retires he’ll be probably be the next captain and help the kids. We’ll have plenty of cap space during those years, so the term will be fine. Don’t let the 12 year olds haters on the mains bring you down - they think 30 year olds are boomers or something.
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Imagine how bad the line would have looked after the age 27 season, where everyone would be convinced he's coming out of his prime and likely to die on the ice...
The team has basically nobody signed long term, they're about to escort the entire core out of the game in the next few years, the cap is slated to rise again over the course of this entire window.
It's like some people haven't thought beyond immediate panic and "comparables" instead of just looking at how easy this actually is to manage. And hey, let's says his legs do fall apart and he can't play halfway through the contract: LTIR still exists. Not only is it not a massively expensive contract but it's... really easy to deal with any eventuality here.
That's a guy I'd like Ryan Leonard to be around for as long as possible, even if he does quickly decline into a 3rd line player.
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Yeah I mean some of us have been saying for years TW is the next C on this team and I think this deal sends that exact sort of message.
Can't imagine hating that.
Can't imagine hating that.
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I’m a big Wilson fan. But I do not like the term on the contract. Would rather a higher AAV and shorter term. It feels like we are living in no man’s land with these contracts. Not good enough to really compete and not bad enough to fully tank.
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Hartnell was more of a Mike Knuble type to me, in the sense that it was never standout physical attributes (outside of a great set of mitts) but a great use of a bunch of average-to-above-average tools combined with grit and IQ. Hartnell seemed to have a sneaky good shot, too, likely better than Wilson's, but the scoring options by team were a bit different for each.
Wilson's probably a better athlete, from a "skate better, be stronger, hit harder" perspective so if we're projecting decline based on ability to keep up with the game, Wilson will likely have more value and utility. If he ages well he'll probably just translate into what Hartnell and Knuble were when his unicorn era is over, keep using his frame and strength to clear out the corners and front of the net even when he's not fast anymore.
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I don’t get this at all…..we need the cap space now, not in 4 years.
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Between the cap going up to anywhere from 92-100m in the next few years and all that money coming off the top of the books (Kuznetsov, Backstrom, and Mantha at least) there's no version of this contract that is even moderately difficult to navigate around.
The only version of this that sucks is if GMBM suddenly forgets how to be pragmatic and spends all the money immediately after 24-25 to go all in on Ovechkin's last year, multiple contracts don't pan out, and then the team can't recoup any losses through LTIR, but even then that just means they get 9.5 off the books the following year... and let's be real, they're always going to save a bit in the pocket in case Ovechkin wants to come back so they probably won't budget for his cap space until he declares it's over anyway.
They could actually make a few really great UFA plays or value moves and be so significantly well set up for the next decade, it's honestly baffling to me that people don't appreciate what GMBM is actually doing here.
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Wilson barley took a raise. He wasnt selfish like Orlov.
And whats all this next captain talk. Acting like Ovie wont be ripping one timers from the office in 7 years lol
And whats all this next captain talk. Acting like Ovie wont be ripping one timers from the office in 7 years lol
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