Prospect Info: Timothy Liljegren - AHL Edition

Kiwi · Oct 21, 2017

BM14 said:
The bigger concern is he was on the ice with Marincin.

Marincin was really good, surprisingly so

Anthrax442 · Oct 21, 2017

BM14 said:
The bigger concern is he was on the ice with Marincin.

Someone has to make Marincin tradeable

Anthrax442 · Oct 21, 2017

nevermind

BlueBaron · Oct 21, 2017

Jeypic said:
just an FYI for everybody... that is just this guys opinion, and it's not fact.

Carrick is a decent young nhler. He will play the season with the leafs unless he gets traded to another NHL team. Liljegren is not a better option at the NHL level today, and will likely stay with the marlies all year to develop. He needs to do that before he can even "percolate". For those who like that term. But if he were NHL ready it would be Rosen looking for a new job as carrick is the same age as him but much better.

Another FYI.. this is just my opinion, but it's better then the one I'm quoting.

I think you are both wrong and our 3rd pairing RHD will be gotten at the trade deadline or we'll get someone who pushes Hainsey down into that spot.

Wendelstache · Oct 21, 2017

Kid has #1D written all over him!

Stephen · Oct 21, 2017

Carrick reminds me of a younger, RH version of Matt Hunwick. Good mobility, small size, fairly intelligent but not much of an impact on a good shift, keeping it quiet and often outmatched physically. Definitely a component to upgrade.

Apotheosis · Oct 21, 2017

Honestly what is his offensive ceiling? I can't fathom how good the tools he has on the back end. Good puck handler, stick handler, vision, shot and skating at pick 17!? He'll be with the Leafs next year. A year in the AHL will do him a world of good.

AppsSyl · Oct 22, 2017

Thought I would post this, because it might be fun to track Liljegren's offensive progress as compared to all other 18 year old D in the AHL in the last 25 years. It is from Pronman's article about 3 Leafs D Prospects. I just updated Liljegren's totals to include last nights game as the article was written a few days ago.

If he can keep it up he has a great chance to top that list.

Player	Season	GP	Goals	Points
Radek Hamr	1992-93	59	4	25
Slava Voynov	2008-09	61	8	23
Oliver Kylington	2015-16	47	5	12
Hampus Lindholm	2012-13	44	1	11
Yan Golubovsky	1994-95	57	4	6
Timothy Liljegren	2017-18	5	1	4
Viktor Uchevatov	2001-02	64	0	2

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zeke · Oct 22, 2017

tbh you might as well throw in the 18yr old forwqrds, too.

zeke · Oct 22, 2017

Top 18yr old AHL ppg (min 10gms):

1.Dome '98: 1.28
2.Pastrnak '15: 1.12
3.Nylander '15: 0.87
4.Filatov '09: 0.82
(Liljegren '18: 0.80)
5.Puljujarvi '17: 0.72

AppsSyl · Oct 22, 2017

AHL U19 Top Seasons All Skaters of the Last 25 Years (generated from eliteprospects.com)

1.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.png$ Jozef Cierny (LW)	1992-1993	Rochester Americans	54	27	27	54	1.00	36	9
2.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image001.png$ Róbert Döme (RW)	1997-1998	Syracuse Crunch	36	21	25	46	1.28	77	11
3.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.png$ Niclas Bergfors (RW)	2005-2006	Albany River Rats	65	17	23	40	0.62	10	-11
4.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image003.png$ Václav Prospal (LW)	1993-1994	Hershey Bears	55	14	21	35	0.64	38	-2
5.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image004.png$ Nikita Filatov (LW/RW)	2008-2009	Syracuse Crunch	39	16	16	32	0.82	24	0
6.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.png$ William Nylander (C/RW)	2014-2015	Toronto Marlies	37	14	18	32	0.86	4	8
7.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image005.png$ Jesse Puljujärvi (RW)	2016-2017	Bakersfield Condors	39	12	16	28	0.72	10	-2
8.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image003.png$ David Pastrnak (RW)	2014-2015	Providence Bruins	25	11	17	28	1.12	12	15
9.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.png$ Alexander Nylander (RW/LW)	2016-2017	Rochester Americans	65	10	18	28	0.43	6	-24
10.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image003.png$ Radek Hamr (D)	1992-1993	New Haven Senators	59	4	21	25	0.42	18	-20
11.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image004.png$ Vyacheslav Voynov (D)	2008-2009	Manchester Monarchs	61	8	15	23	0.38	46	-3
12.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image006.png$ Yevgeni Lazarev (RW)	1998-1999	Hershey Bears	53	6	15	21	0.40	18	6
13.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image007.png$ Kevin Fiala (LW/RW)	2014-2015	Milwaukee Admirals	33	11	9	20	0.61	18	-5
14.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image003.png$ Libor Polasek (RW)	1992-1993	Hamilton Canucks	60	7	12	19	0.32	34	-9
15.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image008.png$ Zemgus Girgensons (C/W)	2012-2013	Rochester Americans	61	6	11	17	0.28	28	-7
16.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.png$ Oliver Kylington (D)	2015-2016	Stockton Heat	47	5	7	12	0.26	14	-15
17.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.png$ Hampus Lindholm (D)	2012-2013	Norfolk Admirals	44	1	10	11	0.25	16	5
18.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.png$ Michael Peca (C)	1992-1993	Hamilton Canucks	9	6	3	9	1.00	11	3
19.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.png$ Jordan Eberle (RW)	2008-2009	Springfield Falcons	9	3	6	9	1.00	4	-5
20.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.png$ Colton Gillies (C/W)	2007-2008	Houston Aeros	11	1	6	7	0.64	4	0
21.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image004.png$ Yan Golubovsky (D)	1994-1995	Adirondack Red Wings	57	4	2	6	0.11	39	-5
22.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.png$ Dana Tyrell (C/W)	2007-2008	Norfolk Admirals	11	1	5	6	0.55	6	1
23.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.png$ Ryan O'Marra (RW/C)	2005-2006	Bridgeport Sound Tigers	8	4	1	5	0.63	4	-14
24.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image010.png$ Brian Lashoff (D)	2008-2009	Grand Rapids Griffins	6	1	4	5	0.83	0	1
25.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image003.png$ Jakub Vrána (LW/RW)	2014-2015	Hershey Bears	3	0	5	5	1.67	0	2
26.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image010.png$ Sonny Milano (LW)	2014-2015	Springfield Falcons	10	0	5	5	0.50	0	-7
27.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image011.png$ Nicklas Jensen (RW/LW)	2011-2012	Chicago Wolves	6	4	0	4	0.67	6	0
28.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.png$ Brett Howden (C)	2016-2017	Syracuse Crunch	5	3	1	4	0.80	2	1
29.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image003.png$ Jiri Tlusty (LW/RW)	2006-2007	Toronto Marlies	6	3	1	4	0.67	4	2
30.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.png$ Brayden Point (C)	2014-2015	Syracuse Crunch	9	2	2	4	0.44	2	-2
31.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image009.png$ Robby Fabbri (C/LW)	2014-2015	Chicago Wolves	3	1	3	4	1.33	2	0
32.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image004.png$ Vitali Abramov (RW/LW)	2016-2017	Cleveland Monsters	4	1	3	4	1.00	2	3
33.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image003.png$ Filip Chytil (C/LW)	2017-2018	Hartford Wolf Pack	4	1	3	4	1.00	4	4
34.	$C:\Users\JVANDE~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\clip_image002.png$ Timothy Liljegren (D)	2017-2018	Toronto Marlies	5	1	3	4	0.80	0	2

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AppsSyl · Oct 22, 2017

I think he is going to climb the above list pretty fast.

johnny_rudeboy · Oct 22, 2017

Wait? Did Michael Peca play in the AHL as an 18 year old? How come?

AppsSyl · Oct 22, 2017

johnny_rudeboy said:
Wait? Did Michael Peca play in the AHL as an 18 year old? How come?

I am guessing at the end of season when his team had been eliminated from playoffs he joined the AHL team.

Marshy · Oct 22, 2017

johnny_rudeboy said:
Wait? Did Michael Peca play in the AHL as an 18 year old? How come?

In 92-93 he played 55 games for Ottawa in the OHL and 9 games in the AHL. Those 9 AHL games would have had to be after he turned 19 on March 26 after the 67s missed the playoffs?

Edit: I found this from Wikipedia

The 1993 Calder Cup playoffs of the American Hockey League began on April 12, 1993.[1]

Could Peca have played before March 26 in the regular season before turning 19? Possibly a few but certainly not 9 games.

AppsSyl · Oct 22, 2017

2017 1st Round Pick NHLe Leaders All Top 10 as of Oct. 22nd

Pick #	Name (Position)	Drafted Team	NHLe Pace (PP/82 GP)
1	N. Hischier (C)	NJD	71.75
30	E. Tolvanen (LW)	NAS	68.88
13	N. Suzuki (C)	VGK	57.73
25	R. Poehling (C)	MTL	53.79
22	K. Yamamoto (RW)	EDM	41.00
5	E. Pettersson (C/RW)	VAN	39.36
21	F. Chytil (C/LW)	NYR	0 38.54
6	C. Glass (C)	VGK	38.24
17	T. Liljegren (D)	TOR	30.83
31	K. Kostin (C/W)	STL	30.83

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2017 1st Round Pick NHLe Leaders Defensemen as of Oct 22nd

Pick #	Name (Position)	Drafted Team	NHLe Pace (PP/82 GP)
17	T. Liljegren (D)	TOR	30.83
29	H. Jokiharju (D)	CHI	28.18
3	M. Heiskanen (D)	DAL	23.78
16	J. Valimaki (D)	CAL	22.14
14	C. Foote (D)	TBL	20.30
4	C. Makar (D)	COL	15.17
23	P-O Joseph (D)	ARI	14.92
15	E. Brannstrom (D)	VGK	12.30
18	U. Vaakanainen (D)	BOS	0

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biotk · Oct 22, 2017

Over their first 5 AHL games:

T. Liljegren 1G, 3A, 4 P
W. Nylander 1G, 1A, 2P
E. Karlsson....unsure. After 4 games he was 0G, 1A, 1P and after 7 games he was 0G, 6A, 6P (not sure of the breakdown of those 3 games).

Trapper · Oct 22, 2017

Kiwi leafs fan said:
Marincin was really good, surprisingly so

I expect Marincin to be really good in the AHL. He should be in the Kostka, Brennan mold. Too good for the AHL, can't maintain in the NHL.

Battle Lin · Oct 22, 2017

rielly and gardiner never had offensive skills like this at his age, and both are very good offensive D...his skating is also just as fast and powerful as rielly...hes already a solid 6' 190 at 18, maybe gets to around 6'1 200-210 which is good size

just gotta keep working on his defensive game and making good decisions in the defensive zone, he could be almost ready next season, and should expect to see him the year after for sure with hainsey gone and he'll only be 20

Glenn Isildur Healy · Oct 24, 2017

Imagine a Dahlin-Liljegren pairing at the WJC

If Sweden wants to win the WJC, those 2 and Brannstrom will have to carry that team

Maplebeasts · Oct 25, 2017

Glenn Healy said:
Imagine a Dahlin-Liljegren pairing at the WJC

If Sweden wants to win the WJC, those 2 and Brannstrom will have to carry that team

If there's 3 junior aged defensemen not in the NHL who can do it, these 3 would all rank really highly.

sanfordn · Oct 25, 2017

Anyone think he’d get called up for a game or two after Christmas?

Or are we still a long way away.

Glenn Isildur Healy · Oct 25, 2017

sanfordn said:
Anyone think he’d get called up for a game or two after Christmas?

Or are we still a long way away.

Barring a ton of unforeseen injuries, I don't think he's anywhere near the team this season. Let him get a full season with the Marlies and we'll see what happens going into next season

taurine330 · Oct 25, 2017

AppsSyl said:
2017 1st Round Pick NHLe Leaders All Top 10 as of Oct. 22nd

Pick # Name (Position) Drafted
Team NHLe Pace
(PP/82 GP)
1 N. Hischier (C) NJD 71.75
30 E. Tolvanen (LW) NAS 68.88
13 N. Suzuki (C) VGK 57.73
25 R. Poehling (C) MTL 53.79
22 K. Yamamoto (RW) EDM 41.00
5 E. Pettersson (C/RW) VAN 39.36
21 F. Chytil (C/LW) NYR 0
38.54
6 C. Glass (C) VGK 38.24
17 T. Liljegren (D) TOR 30.83
31 K. Kostin (C/W) STL 30.83
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2017 1st Round Pick NHLe Leaders Defensemen as of Oct 22nd

Pick # Name (Position) Drafted
Team NHLe Pace
(PP/82 GP)
17 T. Liljegren (D) TOR 30.83
29 H. Jokiharju (D) CHI 28.18
3 M. Heiskanen (D) DAL 23.78
16 J. Valimaki (D) CAL 22.14
14 C. Foote (D) TBL 20.30
4 C. Makar (D) COL 15.17
23 P-O Joseph (D) ARI 14.92
15 E. Brannstrom (D) VGK 12.30
18 U. Vaakanainen (D) BOS 0
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What's NHLe?

CantLoseWithMatthews · Oct 25, 2017

taurine330 said:
What's NHLe?

It's like a projection of what their point totals from a different league would look like in the nhl. So liljegren's play in the AHL projects to be the equivalent of a 31 point nhl season

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