Dotter
THE ATHLETIC IS GARBAGE
It's funny that people are making it out that drafting top 3 is nearly as hard as making it to final 4 of the playoffs.
I guess tanking is harder than we thought
I guess tanking is harder than we thought
Idk why you are so giddy about that. Drafting 7-11th is a death sentence for a pro team.
Yeah, but #7 is not going to cut it if we want to rebuild with elite players and win Cups. Besides, saying this won't happen again next year is a stretch for me. I think Holland intends to make the playoffs, which could include overhauling that defense. This might have been our only real window to draft top 3, and we blew it for meaningless points in a meaningless part of the season.
The other part of the charm is that without Zetterberg, Holland can't even dream of making the playoffs. It'd be glorious. We'd have to actually rebuild! I can't even imagine it at this point.
#7 could turn out to be the best player in this draft.
All hyperbole aside, it's still frustrating to watch a bad season, believe the team needs to rebuild, hope for a really high pick to salvage some tangible return out of this lousy year...and then see several inconsequential wins in March, to greatly reduce the chances of landing said really high pick.#7 could turn out to be the best player in this draft.
If we were picking fourth you'd talk about how little of a chance we have in this weak draft to get a difference maker and then say Holland sucks and should kill himself.
Let's not act like it's all Z. I've said it years ago, this team is drafting and developing too well to easily get into the bottom 5. Only reason they're this close is because of grossly incompetent coaching, underperforming players for much of the 1st half and injuries (mostly Howard).
#7 could turn out to be the best player in this draft.
If we were picking fourth you'd talk about how little of a chance we have in this weak draft to get a difference maker and then say Holland sucks and should kill himself.
If only AA, Mantha, Mrazek, Larkin, Nyquist, Jensen and Tatar weren't playing so well maybe we'd have a chance at drafting an arguably and hypotethically slightly more promising 18 year old in a draft where everyone outside the top 2 or 3 is a crapshoot.
I would prefer a top three pick, but I would be happy with 4th overall too.
7-11 doesn't do anything to address the Wings lack of high end talent at every position.
Can anyone find a roster with less talent than Detroit?
Zetterberg is the only thing preventing the Wings
from turning into an even worse version of Colorado.
I'm on board with the tank, but I'm hoping our saving grace is the lack of high-end talent at the top of this year's draft. It's a little better knowing there isn't a McDavid, Matthews, or Eichel who's going to radically alter the trajectory of a franchise.
7th OA wouldn't be the end of the world, considering we will likely be a bad team next year as well. Forwards tend to skew towards the top and there's usually a top-3 defenseman available for a team with good scouting. Werenski, Provorov, and Sergachev for example were all 7-9 picks in the last two years. Ristolainen I think a few years before.
Just like 70% of the league. We're still going to get our highest draft pick in ages. It's impossible to only draft 30th or top 3 as this board wants. If our young players suck and don't improve, we'll get a higher pick next season and the year after that. We should at least be able to avoid what looked most likely the last few years; missing the playoffs by 1-2 points and getting the worst draft pick possible while still missing the playoffs.Too good to draft bottom 5, not good enough to do anything else. Woot woot.
There weren't any lean years until recently. And since Nashville in 2012, it's been a steady decline in talent ceiling, and an overall decline in results.Holland is not even 1 year removed from a 25 year playoff streak. So no matter what, he's going to think he can get back to being a playoff team with a little work in the off-season. He just witnessed a team do it 25 times in a row, even through some lean years. So I really don't even think it would matter if Zetterberg retired tomorrow, his mindset would be the same.
If this season didn't make it blatantly obvious, none will. Holland is against re-building, he says it publicly all the time. Holland will probably continue to fight it until we replace him, hopefully sooner than later.
Well, any pick could. Usually not the case. But this year moreso than others, I do think this is a possibility.
I could see us getting someone 7th-10th that is better than who is taken #1 or #2. Would not have said that with the last 2 drafts.
I would prefer a top three pick, but I would be happy with 4th overall too.
7-11 doesn't do anything to address the Wings lack of high end talent at every position.
Can anyone find a roster with less talent than Detroit?
Zetterberg is the only thing preventing the Wings
from turning into an even worse version of Colorado.
If only AA, Mantha, Mrazek, Larkin, Nyquist, Jensen and Tatar weren't playing so well maybe we'd have a chance at drafting an arguably and hypotethically slightly more promising 18 year old in a draft where everyone outside the top 2 or 3 is a crapshoot.
Let's not act like it's all Z. I've said it years ago, this team is drafting and developing too well to easily get into the bottom 5. Only reason they're this close is because of grossly incompetent coaching, underperforming players for much of the 1st half and injuries (mostly Howard).
As much as people around here would hate it, I'd probably trade my first round pick to move down and pick up some extra kicks at the can.
I agree with you to an extent. Picking 7-11 probably doesn't get us the player we need to truly contend again, especially not this year.
Then again, picking 1-4 this year probably doesn't get us that player either. This draft seems to really lack that star prospect or 2 that get fan bases excited.
As much as people around here would hate it, I'd probably trade my first round pick to move down and pick up some extra kicks at the can.
The odds of finding an elite player are probably better with 4 or 5 second round picks than they are with one pick between 7-11.
Even better would be picking up some extra picks for next years draft where the pickings seem far riper.
Which helps, but you still need 1-2 top tier guys to anchor any real championship contention.
There's no law in which order you get the pieces, as long as they all come together at the right time, but what we currently believe to be the front office intentions for next season will have to be significantly thwarted to have a good shot at getting one of those All-Star caliber guys.
I don't disagree but many are acting like its difficult/impossible to get an good/impact player late in the top 10 when in reality, its PROBABLE that you get a good/impact player in these slots.
If all we get is an "impact" player it's not very helpful in my eyes.
We have "impact" guys and guys who can develop into them. Tatar and Nyquist are ~40+ point guys each. That's pretty impact. Mantha and Athanasiou look fantastic. They are likely impact guys. Maybe even Jensen turns into one. He looks real good.
We need the elite talent. More impact players aren't going to do much for us.
You're really, really glossing over the fact that #7 is much less likely to be the best player than #1 or #2. In fact, this is the same tired argument people trotted out to explain why drafting 15th is functionally the same as drafting in the top 5.#7 could turn out to be the best player in this draft.
I'd trade all of those guys for players taken higher in their drafts. It's funny how at one point we were pointing to Larkin and saying, "see! you can get a great player at 15th! You don't need to draft in the top 10 to get a key player" But I'd rather have Jack Eichel right now, and it's not even close. Not even a little bit.If only AA, Mantha, Mrazek, Larkin, Nyquist, Jensen and Tatar weren't playing so well maybe we'd have a chance at drafting an arguably and hypotethically slightly more promising 18 year old in a draft where everyone outside the top 2 or 3 is a crapshoot.
Let's not act like it's all Z. I've said it years ago, this team is drafting and developing too well to easily get into the bottom 5. Only reason they're this close is because of grossly incompetent coaching, underperforming players for much of the 1st half and injuries (mostly Howard).
You're really, really glossing over the fact that #7 is much less likely to be the best player than #1 or #2. In fact, this is the same tired argument people trotted out to explain why drafting 15th is functionally the same as drafting in the top 5.
But it's just not. It's really not.