Music: The Official Hip-Hop Thread: Part VIX

[Club]

Album of the year candidate.

 

[void]

Classic.

 

[Mikeaveli]

Anyone else think Lil Wayne is the most overrated rapper of all time? I really just don't see the appeal of him at all but I consistently see him listed as a top 5 or 10 rapper.

 

[Voight]

Anyone else think Lil Wayne is the most overrated rapper of all time? I really just don't see the appeal of him at all but I consistently see him listed as a top 5 or 10 rapper.

Really? Did you live under a rock from 2004-2011?

Listen to Tha Carter 3 & 4, and then get back to me.

 

[Voight]

The Eminem Show
Marshall Mathers LP
Slim Shady LP
Marshall Mathers LP2
Relapse
Recovery
Revival
Encore

After a few listens, a couple parts of the album grew on me (I don’t know the names as I’m usually gaming while listening). I think it’s a little worse than Recovery, which I didn’t like.

 

[Mikeaveli]

Really? Did you live under a rock from 2004-2011?

Listen to Tha Carter 3 & 4, and then get back to me.

Honestly the late 2000's are my least favorite era of mainstream hip-hop. I've heard Tha Carter 3, Da Drought 3, and No Ceilings 2 (the most unintentionally funny mixtape I've ever heard) and I just don't understand the praise he gets at all.

 

[Muston Atthews]

 

[Bob Richards]

Tha Carter III? GOAT

"(She know what I mean!) I make it say
Wee-ooh-wee-ooh-wee (ay)
wee-ooh-wee-ooh-wee (ay)
Wee-ooh-wee-ooh-wee (like a cop car)"

 

[Stylizer1]

Tha Carter III? GOAT

"(She know what I mean!) I make it say
Wee-ooh-wee-ooh-wee (ay)
wee-ooh-wee-ooh-wee (ay)
Wee-ooh-wee-ooh-wee (like a cop car)"

"And you're not a gorilla
You're a dead monkey
Cuz I got a banana clip
In these Red Monkeys"

hot fire.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

listening to To Pimp a Butterfly all the way through again. Still so amazing.

 

[Yung Rotini]

Future’s verse on “King’s Dead”. My god. Who okayed that?

LA DI DA DA

 

[Bob Richards]

Future’s verse on “King’s Dead”. My god. Who okayed that?

LA DI DA DA

ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLL

God that was so horrible.

 

[PG Canuck]

Have never been a fan of Future.

 

[PG Canuck]

he's got an interesting flow but i'm not really feeling it tbh

Yeah I couldn’t get into most of thm but I f*** with Distance. That was good.

 

[1specter]

Quavo saying Culture II has 24 songs... have these idiots at 'Quality Control' (what an ironic label name) not learned their lesson? Migos is pretty narrow in their sound as it is, 24 songs that all sound the same will put me to sleep. This new age of $ / stream is hurting the idea of concept albums and having a good, cohesive album that flows well and doesn't overstay its welcome.

 

[PG Canuck]

Drake just dropped two new songs.

Not sure how I feel about Dipolmatic Immunity yet, but I’m digging God’s Plan

 

[Club]

Drake just dropped two new songs.

Not sure how I feel about Dipolmatic Immunity yet, but I’m digging God’s Plan

I am really vibing to both. I like Diplomatic Immunity better though

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Quavo saying Culture II has 24 songs... have these idiots at 'Quality Control' (what an ironic label name) not learned their lesson? Migos is pretty narrow in their sound as it is, 24 songs that all sound the same will put me to sleep. This new age of $ / stream is hurting the idea of concept albums and having a good, cohesive album that flows well and doesn't overstay its welcome.

It's all about singles with this new subgenre. Produce a bargain bin of songs and see which ones stick as a hit. Throwaway songs that would have been locked away on an iTunes library now make projects.

 

[Lotusflower]

Anyone else think Lil Wayne is the most overrated rapper of all time? I really just don't see the appeal of him at all but I consistently see him listed as a top 5 or 10 rapper.

I can understand not liking Wayne personally but he's the most versatile vocal performer in the last two decades of popular music.
Commercial impact, versatility, critical acclaim, plus 90% of the rappers in the last 10 years owe their steez to him and Gucci pretty lock him in as a top 5 solo rapper imo

 

[Mikeaveli]

I can understand not liking Wayne personally but he's the most versatile vocal performer in the last two decades of popular music.
Commercial impact, versatility, critical acclaim, plus 90% of the rappers in the last 10 years owe their steez to him and Gucci pretty lock him in as a top 5 solo rapper imo

What are some examples of his versatility? I agree that he has been a large influence but for every artist he's influenced that I enjoy (Kendrick Lamar) there are probably 2 or 3 that I think are horrible (Young Thug) so I don't consider his influence entirely positive. Also things like commercial impact and critical claim shouldn't affect anyone's personal views on Wayne as an artist.

 

[Lotusflower]

What are some examples of his versatility? I agree that he has been a large influence but for every artist he's influenced that I enjoy (Kendrick Lamar) there are probably 2 or 3 that I think are horrible (Young Thug) so I don't consider his influence entirely positive. Also things like commercial impact and critical claim shouldn't affect anyone's personal views on Wayne as an artist.

Is the question is Wayne good? Or is it why is Wayne considered top 5? The first is subjective and as I said is up to the listener to decide.
The 2nd is answered by the critical acclaim/commercial impact as stated. My personal views on Wayne aren't influenced by other people but the reason many people put him top 5 is because he's had an impact on vast majority of the hip hop audience worldwide.

As for the influences, who you particularly enjoy as it pertains to Wayne's offspring doesn't really have any bearing on the initial question.
The fact that two artists as divergent as Thug and Kendrick can both cite Wayne as a primary influence speaks to his versatility and depth.

Here's some songs you can check out if you haven't already:
-What Happened to That Boy Freestyle
-I Feel Like Dying
-Best Rapper Alive
-Let the Beat Build
-Shook Ones Freestyle
-Curren$y f. Lil Wayne-Smoke Sumthin

Duffle Bag Boy, etc. for pure hookcraft. No Ceilings mixtape in general see him killing and improving upon everything from ringtone rap instrumentals to 2000's classics.
Not to mention this is the guy that made Lollipop an international smash among many others, of questionable quality I'll admit

 

[Voight]

Quavo saying Culture II has 24 songs... have these idiots at 'Quality Control' (what an ironic label name) not learned their lesson? Migos is pretty narrow in their sound as it is, 24 songs that all sound the same will put me to sleep. This new age of $ / stream is hurting the idea of concept albums and having a good, cohesive album that flows well and doesn't overstay its welcome.

Migos all sounds the same now. I liked their original mixtapes (No Label2 for ex) but these days I don't care to download their albums. I like the bangers like Bad & Boujee but most of their albums are 3/4 trash.

Drake just dropped two new songs.

Not sure how I feel about Dipolmatic Immunity yet, but I’m digging God’s Plan

Diplomatic Immunity is like Two Birds One Stone. Not a massive fan of the beat on it but lyrically its fantastic.

What are some examples of his versatility? I agree that he has been a large influence but for every artist he's influenced that I enjoy (Kendrick Lamar) there are probably 2 or 3 that I think are horrible (Young Thug) so I don't consider his influence entirely positive. Also things like commercial impact and critical claim shouldn't affect anyone's personal views on Wayne as an artist.

Tha Carter 3+4 are his best works (arguably), listen to them and you'll see.

 

[PG Canuck]

Diplomatic Immunity is like Two Birds One Stone. Not a massive fan of the beat on it but lyrically its fantastic.

Yeah after a few more days listening to it, I can vibe to it.

God's Plan stuck with me the very first time I heard it - love everything about it.

 

[Mikeaveli]

Is the question is Wayne good? Or is it why is Wayne considered top 5? The first is subjective and as I said is up to the listener to decide.
The 2nd is answered by the critical acclaim/commercial impact as stated. My personal views on Wayne aren't influenced by other people but the reason many people put him top 5 is because he's had an impact on vast majority of the hip hop audience worldwide.

My question is "What do people see in Wayne that makes him good enough to be listed in their list of the top rappers of all time?', speaking strictly about his music.

As for the influences, who you particularly enjoy as it pertains to Wayne's offspring doesn't really have any bearing on the initial question.
The fact that two artists as divergent as Thug and Kendrick can both cite Wayne as a primary influence speaks to his versatility and depth.

I think it's more of a result of two artists starting out as Wayne biters and then developing into something else rather than any versatility on Wayne's part.

Here's some songs you can check out if you haven't already:
-What Happened to That Boy Freestyle
-I Feel Like Dying
-Best Rapper Alive
-Let the Beat Build
-Shook Ones Freestyle
-Curren$y f. Lil Wayne-Smoke Sumthin

Duffle Bag Boy, etc. for pure hookcraft. No Ceilings mixtape in general see him killing and improving upon everything from ringtone rap instrumentals to 2000's classics.
Not to mention this is the guy that made Lollipop an international smash among many others, of questionable quality I'll admit

Tha Carter 3+4 are his best works (arguably), listen to them and you'll see.

I'll check these out.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Tha Carter 1, 2 and 3 are all fantastic. 4 isn't as good as those but still has some great tracks like She Will, 6'7, It's Good, John and Mirror.