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NFL GDT: Super Bowl LVIII: (AFC) Kansas City Chiefs vs. (NFC) San Francisco 49ers

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StreetHawk

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Voight said:
Shanahan has now choked away 3 Super Bowls. Brutal.
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CMC, I think the pass catching may have skewed people's view of how effective CMC on the ground was in the game. 22 rushes for 80 yards and 8 catches for 80 yards. Each touch was over 5.3 yards, but each rush was only 3.6 yards. Think I reviewed the play calls in first half and he had 8 rushes for 27 yards. 14 for 53 in the second half and OT. Find more ways to get the ball to CMC in space. Like NE did using their short passes to the RB as an extension of the run game.

But SF did miss their opportunity to get more separation from KC in the third. KC offense was sputtering all night until they got the break on the Punt. From that point forward, they had momentum.

For all of their Pro Bowlers/All Pros, the receiving trio of Aiyuk/Deebo/Kittle were well contained by KC.
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
It wasn't Shanahan that lost Falcons SB

That was Quinn and his pathetic defense

Shanahan/Ryan carried Falcons to SB in spite of HC and D
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While the defense may have cost Atlanta, there were some bad calls offensively. Late in the game, with the lead, 3rd and short, with a running clock, they hike the ball with 15 seconds left on play clock, pass incomplete and punt. They could have used a lot more clock. You're giving time to NE when you know your defense is faltering.
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
It wasn't Shanahan that lost Falcons SB

That was Quinn and his pathetic defense

Shanahan/Ryan carried Falcons to SB in spite of HC and D
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They didn't put up another single point after scoring with 8 and a half minutes left in the 3rd Q, so sure Quinn's D gave up the lead, but the offense packed it in as well

The very next drive they got the ball in NE territory at the 41 and proceeded to lose 15 yards and punt, a first down puts them in FG range and likely clinches the game
 

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Unholy Diver said:
They didn't put up another single point after scoring with 8 and a half minutes left in the 3rd Q, so sure Quinn's D gave up the lead, but the offense packed it in as well

The very next drive they got the ball in NE territory at the 41 and proceeded to lose 15 yards and punt, a first down puts them in FG range and likely clinches the game
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7 of those 28 points came off a pick 6, so ATL O put up 3 TDs. Just needed 1 FG and that last drive when Julio caught the ball and it was 1st and 10 from the 22, that series did them in. Think they got 2 holding calls against and a sack. At that point in time, you had to think at 1st and 30 from the NE 42, just get the ball back to the NE 30. Get 5 yards per play. A dump off to the RB or TE after play action. Bryant was a reliable K and they were indoors that game. Think they tried a couple of slants or something which didn't get completed.
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
It wasn't Shanahan that lost Falcons SB

That was Quinn and his pathetic defense

Shanahan/Ryan carried Falcons to SB in spite of HC and D
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I don't disagree, but what these two said is what I was getting at.

He deserves some blame.

BiolaRunner said:
While the defense may have cost Atlanta, there were some bad calls offensively. Late in the game, with the lead, 3rd and short, with a running clock, they hike the ball with 15 seconds left on play clock, pass incomplete and punt. They could have used a lot more clock. You're giving time to NE when you know your defense is faltering.
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Unholy Diver said:
They didn't put up another single point after scoring with 8 and a half minutes left in the 3rd Q, so sure Quinn's D gave up the lead, but the offense packed it in as well

The very next drive they got the ball in NE territory at the 41 and proceeded to lose 15 yards and punt, a first down puts them in FG range and likely clinches the game
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Shanahan's whole game is getting up and making it a boat race, even if his defense sucks, he should almost never lose given what his philosophy is
 

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Also predicated on your personnel. Cle had Garrett who could wreck a game plus an overall excellent D with good corners in Ward and Newsome. KC had Jones and McDuffie/Sneed at CB. So, they have the personnel to match up. As long as they avoid using their top pass rusher vs Williams, they attack the weaker 4 OL who are mostly average.
 
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Troy McClure said:
Interesting look at how SF was defended over the course of the season.

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That’s the benefit of having the best corner tandem in the league. Allows Spags to do so much more with Sneed and McDuffie putting the clamps on (or bringing them on a blitz).
 

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The Note said:
That’s the benefit of having the best corner tandem in the league. Allows Spags to do so much more with Sneed and McDuffie putting the clamps on (or bringing them on a blitz).
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Kind of why we see in free agency, signings, and draft teams like Phi opt to not pay LB and go CB (though they were wrong on Bradberry and Slay still being good at 30). Even in the draft, been a while since back to Roquan Smith that we saw a LB go top 10. Even this draft, maybe 1 LB goes round 1.

You pay the DE and CB on D now. S, LB, not as much. DT would be 3rd who have some pass rush ability vs pure run stoppers.
 
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Troy McClure said:
Interesting look at how SF was defended over the course of the season.

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Purdy is a mediocre QB at best. Of course he’s going to struggle making tight throws in a big game.

He looks like a superstar when he can rely on his receivers to sit down in the zone for wide open easy throws or take a short dump down throw for 15yds after the catch.

Purdy was the very last pick in the draft for a reason.
 
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How many more blown leads in the Super Bowl is Kyle Shanahan going to be responsible for? That's two as head coach against the Chiefs where they had 10 point leads. His father managed to close the deal, maybe he ought to consult with him. Kyle was the offensive co-ordinator with the Falcons when they blew it to the Patriots. In that game there were multiple times where all he had to do was have the team have the team run and even if they didn't get any yardage they still win the Super Bowl.

Anyway, 7 times in history a team with a 10+ point lead in the Super Bowl lost.

It was the Broncos vs. the Redskins, Colts vs. Saints, Seahawks vs. Patriots, Falcons vs. Patriots, Niners vs Chiefs, Eagles vs. Chiefs, Niners vs. Chiefs.

Tom Brady is on the good end of two of them and the only one that went over 10 points (25). And Mahomes is on the good end of three of them. Three of them the team had a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter. The other times it was earlier (for example Saints and Redskins were down in the game early but came back quickly). Shanahan has blown two leads in the Super Bowl with a 10+ point lead in the 4th quarter! Even Marv Levy laughs at that.
 

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I’m a Chiefs fan so hardly a Shanny apologist but it took Andy 21 seasons and until he was 61 to win the big one. He was also seen as a big game choker, albeit one of the most gifted minds in the leagues, for basically two decades before crossing the hurdle.

Kyle is 44 and in his 7th year. In 7 years he’s been to 4 NFC title games and 2 SB’s. Without a plus plus QB.

That’s pretty damn good.

It’s also not inconceivable that he never wins the big one with the Niners and that it takes him another decade plus before he wins it all. It’s freaking hard to win it all.

But I still think the number of teams who wouldn’t throw their coach overboard to get Kyle can be counted on one hand…I think this game hardly qualifies on the level of the Pats/Falcons game. I think his game plan was fine. A couple of bounces go differently and he’s a champion. The Chiefs made it a lot harder to run than it appears. And the OT coin flip decision is very debatable.
 
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