Sharksrule04
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Anything over 5M is an over-payment for Jones in my mind. With the exception of 1-2 goalies, I just don't think a goalie is worth more than 5M, especially since Jones really didn't raise his stock over the last season.
He'll get at least 5 years, absolutely no doubt. I'll guess $6M AAV.
Everybody's replaceable. Job security is a major fault of bad hockey management. /s
No they ****ing don't. Dumb GMs like Doug Wilson just hand them job security when there's absolutely no reason to. As for replacing Jones, there are so many options to do so. You could swing a trade with Colorado for Calvin Pickard since they'd lose him to expansion anyway. You could buy low on Jonathan Bernier, Steve Mason or Brian Elliott in free agency. Ryan Miller on a one-year deal would be a possibility. Anders Nilsson as a UFA is an intriguing option. And these are just goalies available on short notice this offseason - you'd have a full year to come up with a replacement for Jones if you choose not to eventually sign him. And if he plays well enough to earn the kind of contract the Sharks are certain to give him on July 1st, 2017 then sign him - at least you'll have more confidence that he's an average to above-average starter at that point.
You. Don't. Know. This. The fact that every GM has "ok" players on multi-year deals, means that THAT IS THE MARKET. That's not handing out job security, that's competing on the open market. What is your ideal team exactly? A couple of superstars on long-term deals and then 14 one-year contracts for all those "replaceable" players?
Your goalie options are terrible; you're supporting my argument, not challenging it. I'm not asking for "buy-lows" or "intriguing options" either. If we're letting Jones walk, I expect his replacement to be at least as good. Those are not. We'll see what Jones' numbers are, but for now he's clearly earned a raise and an extension.
Does the lack of information imply that the Vlasic extension is NOT going well?
Does the lack of information imply that the Vlasic extension is NOT going well?
Please no, although that's just speculation on your part and not what you want, I'm guessing.
I want about five years at about $4.5M ish, but I doubt that happens. Ben Bishop only got six years for under $30M, and he's a much better goalie than Jones.
KK offered this:
"Talks progressing between #SJSharks, Vlasic/Jones:" http://www.csnbayarea.com/sharks/talks-progressing-between-sharks-vlasic-and-jones …
Please no, although that's just speculation on your part and not what you want, I'm guessing.
I want about five years at about $4.5M ish, but I doubt that happens. Ben Bishop only got six years for under $30M, and he's a much better goalie than Jones.
Nice straw man. Signing top nine forward or top four defensemen to long-term deals is fine. Signing a completely replaceable fourth line part like Karlsson to one makes zero sense. That's not "the market." The Sharks would have no trouble walking away from Karlsson and replacing him with one of a half dozen Barracuda forwards.
Career SV%s:
Martin Jones - .916
Calvin Pickard - .914
Jonathan Bernier - .915
Steve Mason - .911
Brian Elliott - .913
Ryan Miller .915
The only one significantly lower than Jones is Mason's and that's solely due to his terrible early years in Columbus - he had a .918 SV% over his entire Flyers career. If the choice is between Martin Jones at $6milx5years versus one of these guys for like $2.5mil on a 1-2 year deal you go with the latter and run. That's money that can be better spent on actual upgrades up front or on the blueline rather than on a largely indistinguishable goalie.
Yes. It is the market. High end 4th liners like Karlsson get 2 and 3 year deals. Often. As for the lineup, exaggeration on my part? Sure, but can you blame me? Jones was probably 2 wins away from the Conn Smythe this time last year. If he's "replaceable", I gotta assume you think Joe-top 9er is too.
Just because players like Karlsson commonly get 2-3 year deals doesn't mean they should. Any team would be better served icing a 4th line of players on one year $750,000 deals. Would you rather have a fourth line of Karlsson-Tierney-Ward for $7M or or Sorensen-Carpenter-Goodrow for $2M? I know which one I would.
Just because players like Karlsson commonly get 2-3 year deals doesn't mean they should. Any team would be better served icing a 4th line of players on one year $750,000 deals. Would you rather have a fourth line of Karlsson-Tierney-Ward for $7M or or Sorensen-Carpenter-Goodrow for $2M? I know which one I would.
The one that gives you 5M extra to spend on a top-6 forward. That is honestly why I have a problem with Dillon on the 3rd pairing...he's fine as a #6D. However, he's paid more than that, so I'd rather have Heed/Ryan in there for 2.5M less.
Just because players like Karlsson commonly get 2-3 year deals doesn't mean they should. Any team would be better served icing a 4th line of players on one year $750,000 deals. Would you rather have a fourth line of Karlsson-Tierney-Ward for $7M or or Sorensen-Carpenter-Goodrow for $2M? I know which one I would.
Then you'll turn around and whinge about our poor depth come the playoffs. I mean, we had a fourth line with Goodrow on it.
How many times have the Sharks been burned icing promising youngsters bin depth roles only to see those youngsters fall flat?
Oh, of course. I agree completely. And this is the problem with HF. If you say that something isn't that big a deal, or point out that something happens a lot, people automatically assume that you support it.
:we need a *sigh* emoticon:
However, there is 'smart' and 'not smart'. Signing Karlsson to a 3 year deal at the AVV he got is not smart. I'm not upset about it, but it's obviously a really not smart move.
Agreed, and I'd also add that these signings seem to be relatively insignificant until the team realizes it is short 1M here or 1M there for some player they want to add. Those things add up imo...however, it's not like the Karlsson contract is anywhere near Burish territory
Im good with this, I know he wasn't great last year but he had stretches of keeping us in games again. It was only his second full season as starter and I believe we will see a better Jones next season. He has all the mental tools to be a great goalie.
There's only room for 31 starters in the league.
Then you'll turn around and whinge about our poor depth come the playoffs. I mean, we had a fourth line with Goodrow on it.
How many times have the Sharks been burned icing promising youngsters bin depth roles only to see those youngsters fall flat?