Speculation: Shanny, Treliving, and Keefe; what is your end game?

[GoonieFace]

Last year, 56 goals by non top 6Fs, this year on pace for 66, at the cost of vastly reducing the bottom 6's defensive utility.

I would say Bertuzzi and Domi have been underwhelming. We lost Kerfoot from our bottom six, the others Lafferty/Acciari were all deadline deals. Dubas traded Engvall, so who from last years bottom six do we sorely miss?

 

[mikeyz]

I'm to the point I don't see the point in loading up at TD. We got ror,accari,Schenn and did squat. These guys are paid to carry this team. I'd do a 2nd for a Tanev and let them sink or swim. If you 4 make so much $$$ take responsibility like you do.

Our previous GM/President GOAT according to the Dubasites traded our 2nd. We don’t have one this year.

Thanks to previous GM who bleed assets, Leafs don't own a 2nd round pick in 2024, 2025, 2026.

Lol you beat me to it.

 

[4thline]

I would say Bertuzzi and Domi have been underwhelming. We lost Kerfoot from our bottom six, the others Lafferty/Acciari were all deadline deals. Dubas traded Engvall, so who from last years bottom six do we sorely miss?

It's not that we "sorely" miss any one particular player. It's that what was built:

-allocated 5.5m to a top6 winger when we were already top heavy
-allocated 3m to 3C that needs to be sheltered
-allocated 1.35 to a 4RW that made the 4thline completely unplayable



Okay, the Reaves issue has solved itself temporarily- and hopefully for good, but it cost us Lafferty and 200k and we've only upgraded from an unplayable 4th line to one that's struggling in it's role. Why is Kampf struggling as a 4C- he's being tasked with playing heavy defensive minutes with a PTO of no defensive renown and a 27 year old rookie.

Who were our planned pker's to start the season? Who are they now? Is a Domi lead 3rd line really who we want taking up prime offensive minutes? What was the plan to build an F group that has more than 1 line you're happy to send out for a dzone faceoff?

 

[Lemontree]

It's not that we "sorely" miss any one particular player. It's that what was built:

-allocated 5.5m to a top6 winger when we were already top heavy
-allocated 3m to 3C that needs to be sheltered
-allocated 1.35 to a 4RW that made the 4thline completely unplayable



Okay, the Reaves issue has solved itself temporarily- and hopefully for good, but it cost us Lafferty and 200k and we've only upgraded from an unplayable 4th line to one that's struggling in it's role. Why is Kampf struggling as a 4C- he's being tasked with playing heavy defensive minutes with a PTO of no defensive renown and a 27 year old rookie.

Who were our planned pker's to start the season? Who are they now? Is a Domi lead 3rd line really who we want taking up prime offensive minutes? What was the plan to build an F group that has more than 1 line you're happy to send out for a dzone faceoff?

Bertuzzi added an element to the top 6 that was missing. At this point it hasn't worked the way most people hoped it would have but a very good decision on a 1 year deal.

You do realize that Sam Lafferty is a replacement level 4th line player that became replaceable with a player brought in on a PTO.

Why would a 3rd line be receiving prime offensive minutes when the team employees Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Tavares?

 

[stickty111]

He got his GM to control, and his off season was a disaster.
Firing Keefe won't do a thing. This is on Shanny

 

[LeafalCrusader]

He Treliving and Keefe can all GTFO.

 

[34]

The damage is done, it is too late. You cannot undo the Nylander contract. You cannot change that the goaltending is the very worst in the NHL. You cannot change that you literally have one NHL defenseman on your roster. You cannot change the fact that Matthews is probably going to want out when the team misses the playoff this year. It is done.

 

[Apex Predator]

I don’t want Shanny around to fix this mess.

 

[trellaine201]

The damage is done, it is too late. You cannot undo the Nylander contract. You cannot change that the goaltending is the very worst in the NHL. You cannot change that you literally have one NHL defenseman on your roster. You cannot change the fact that Matthews is probably going to want out when the team misses the playoff this year. It is done.

Ya I am starting to think NOT making the playoffs is real.

 

[tmlms13]

This feels like the first year of the Shapiro/Atkins Blue Jays era. Just hang around and figure things out before making the big move. Problem is other than firing the coach there is nothing to do. No trade contracts that have ruined the NHL just as much as the Hard Cap. You can't even blow teams up like other sports. It's ironic how even if you wanted to completely hit the reset button you can't. You're too good.

I wonder if players would trade in the CBA, ban no trade contracts but get a higher percentage of the HHR.

 

[colchar]

You cannot change that the goaltending is the very worst in the NHL.

Um, no it isn't.

You cannot change that you literally have one NHL defenseman on your roster.

Has Bettman banned the Leafs from making trades?

You cannot change the fact that Matthews is probably going to want out when the team misses the playoff this year.

Uh huh.

It is done.

Perhaps your time with the bong should be done.

 

[centipede2233]

From we can and we will to this utter disaster. Shanaplan has been a disaster. So much promise flushed down the toilette cause he thought hiring a rookie gm who thought having zero toughness and letting agents walk all over him at the negotiating table was a good idea…absolutely pathetic display of leadership from shanahan.

 

[hotpaws]

He got his GM to control, and his off season was a disaster.
Firing Keefe won't do a thing. This is on Shanny

just go to the Pens board already

and just for fyi , without Shanny your boy would still be kicking around the ohl , that's if he was still employed in the sport

 

[4thline]

Bertuzzi added an element to the top 6 that was missing. At this point it hasn't worked the way most people hoped it would have but a very good decision on a 1 year deal.

Being more feisty in scrums isn't worth 5.5m extra dollars in the top 6. He's not his uncle.

You do realize that Sam Lafferty is a replacement level 4th line player that became replaceable with a player brought in on a PTO.

"was replaced by necessity with" and "was replaceable by" are not the same thing. He's got as many goals as Bert and Domi combined, playing 12min a night on a team ahead of us in the standings. He's no all-star, but he's a valuable depth piece that outperforms his contract, works hard, plays physical, and provides secondary scoring

Why would a 3rd line be receiving prime offensive minutes when the team employees Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Tavares?

Because we signed a UFA who's only place of fit is as a sheltered offensive C. It's certainly not ideal- that's the point.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Bertuzzi and Domi are both plus players.

Klingberg hasn't played since Nov 11th and on LTIR (his cap hit is now irrelevant).
Ryan Reaves hasn't played since Dec 14th.

Perhaps you haven't identified why the Leafs team is still struggling defensively.

Collectively, they are -136 for their careers. Hell, this year they are a collective -11.

But ya, he spent 14 million dollars in cap space on four great defensive players. This is all someone else's fault and Treliving can be completely absolved of continuing to build a team that isn't good defensively.

 

[thewave]

He Treliving and Keefe can all GTFO.

Treliving can't really do much of anything. He was brought in after Shanahan made a promise to the top players and he paid up. Strange GM to hire though, wasn't a fan of his work. Probably just a Yes-man for MLSE/Shanahan.

 

[Trapper]

The end game is simple.

1. Make as much money as you can.
2. Get into the playoffs.
3. Hope you get lucky in those same playoffs.

The 3rd one is minor and not that important.
When any of the first 2 change, the plan will alter.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Their double-down on keeping the stars rich instead of trying to balance the cap is starting to tell me they’re perfectly happy in this purgatory of success.

 

[Lemontree]

Collectively, they are -136 for their careers. Hell, this year they are a collective -11.

But ya, he spent 14 million dollars in cap space on four great defensive players. This is all someone else's fault and Treliving can be completely absolved of continuing to build a team that isn't good defensively.

I would say a bigger issue is that both Brodie and McCabe are terrible in their own end and add little to nothing offensively.

 

[tuckerintensity]

I would say a bigger issue is that both Brodie and McCabe are terrible in their own end and add little to nothing offensively.

Ah yes, and to fix that you sign these four defensive liabilities with all of your cap space, naturally.

 

[Lemontree]

Ah yes, and to fix that you sign these four defensive liabilities with all of your cap space, naturally.

Bertuzzi was signed to add some grit and size to the top 6.
Domi was signed to add some offense to the top 9.
Klingburg was signed to add some offense and puck moving from the back end (which was absolutely needed with the current D core).
Reeves was added for toughness to the 4th line.

Klingburg signing didn't work and he is out for the rest of the year (signed 1 year deal).
Bertuzzi hasn't seemed to fit as well as most would have been expected up to this point (signed 1 year deal).
Domi has looked fine as a 3rd line player although ideally he would be on the wing (signed 1 year deal).
Reeves hasn't looked good and is injured (he signed 3 year deal but can be burried with little impact to the cap if it comes to that.

If you think the 4 individuals noted above (2 injured for well over a month) are the reason why the Leafs look the way they do......you haven't been paying attention the last few years. Keep blaming the current GM for the mess that the roster is if it makes you feel better. A person doesn't get fat based on the most recent meal, its based off a history of poor eating/workout habits.

 

[tuckerintensity]

Bertuzzi was signed to add some grit and size to the top 6.
Domi was signed to add some offense to the top 9.
Klingburg was signed to add some offense and puck moving from the back end (which was absolutely needed with the current D core).
Reeves was added for toughness to the 4th line.

Thank you. All of them were added by the guy who is here and none of them were added to provide any defensive responsibility... which you adamantly said he has nothing to do with.

 

[GoonieFace]

Thank you. All of them were added by the guy who is here and none of them were added to provide any defensive responsibility... which you adamantly said he has nothing to do with.

For a team that had issues scoring in the playoffs for multiple seasons, I’m not sure defensive responsibilities were high on the shopping list

 

[AvroArrow]

Are you nuts? Kadri HAD to go; twice he got himself thrown out of playoff series because he didn't know how to tone it down. And then he did it multiple times in Colorado, too!

Funny thing, for all the bitching about Kerfoot, we don't have anyone who's really taken his spot this year...

Dubas is that you ? Kadri HAD to stay. He was the only f***ing guy who showed any heart, physicality or grit in the playoffs. Our team was getting run over with numerous dirty hits that all went unpenalized. Freddy was hit in the head by Debrusk (He already had a concussion), then he took out Kadri's knee, then he took a run at Marleau, THEN Kadri said f*** this if you won't protect our players I'll do it.

Only an idiot like Dubas would've got rid of him, he's exactly what we needed. That was one of the worst trades in franchise history.

Also what was Kerfoots spot LOL. Are you just making crap up ? Guy was absolutely useless. Not skilled enough for the top 6, not gritty enough for the bottom 6, straight up useless.

 

[Lightsol]

Dubas is that you ? Kadri HAD to stay. He was the only f***ing guy who showed any heart, physicality or grit in the playoffs.

That heart sure helped from the press box every playoff, didn't it?