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  1. ColePens

    ColePens RIP parabola

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    Your warning is correct but it will not stop a single user from posting it immediately. Honestly if TIOPS or Eklund had a dumb rumor, it'd be posted in like 3 seconds.
     
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    We could always do a backdoor deal for Bozak. Make a deal with Botts for Bozak if he gets him. The old “we really wanted Bozak but the Penguins gave us an offer”.....walks away......rushes back.....”sorry, an offer we couldn’t refuse”

    :sarcasm:
     
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    There's a difference from trading with the bottom dwellers and overpaying and making a hockey trade with an equal partner in the same scenario. Detroit falls into that bottom dweller who'll be selling off at the TDL. That's where you give up futures of quality.

    That's my point.

    Rip talks a good bit of it in detail, but that is for costly UFA's.

    My stance has been for making hockey trades where you get fair value trading with equal partners.

    Costs do go up when there is a bidding war for UFA's. Hainsey(Feb 23) and Streit (March 1st) cost a 2nd, 4th and Kristo. Hainsey was pretty much a TDL deal since he was done so close (6 days ahead) and a 2nd + Kristo was an overpayment. Streit for a 4th was a slight overpayment for what he was come March 1st.

    So he pretty much made it to the TDL to make those deals.

    Yes.

    Again, I'm going for a hockey trade straight up. There as equal partners will get fair value.

    You overpay for rentals. Period.

    Hockey trades gets you, tit for tat, A center for a wing, a center for a D-man and vise versus. Any trades happening from now to Feb 15th-ish will most likely be hockey trades. After that some of the UFA dominos will start to fall dependant on supply and demand for engrecious overpayments.

    So why would you want to get caught up in that for important roster needs?

    The only TDL deal that makes sense is Cullen for a 3rd/4th.

    A Hockey trade example is like a Sheary for Coyle base.
     
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    The only hockey trade I can think of that might make sense is a re-signed Cole for Lindberg. Something of an overpay for an underperforming asset, but he has a history of being a legit 3C, its a price we can pay, and I think Vegas might be interested because it improves their defence long term with an underpay they can afford to make.
     
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    Matter of perspective. If it's anything like any other negotiation closing in on a deadline, the parties converge.

    For the person fielding offers, prices rise from whatever lowballs they were getting three months ago. From the perspective of a buyer, the price drops from whatever unrealistic ask they were hearing in November.
     
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    And everything in between depending on supply and demand.
     
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    I don't think Botterill would burn a bridge this early into his tenure. Toronto would have to agree to a 3 way deal with us. I couldn't see it happening any other way.

    That being said, I don't think Toronto is opposed to doing business with us at all. The issue is that they have to feel like they are becoming a better team for losing Bozak with what they are getting back, and I don't think we have the NHL pieces to accomplish that.
     
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    I don't think the Penguins are in a rush to make a trade right now because they have started playing better recently. This team on paper should be really good, if they start to figure their **** out, Rutherford won't have to make any significant trade to help the team (just add a 4C probably). The team is already plenty good enough if they're playing well.

    I don't think Vegas is looking to do anything right now, to be honest. They're doing so well that I don't even think they bother on making any trades subtracting from their roster. If they can add a legit top-4 defensemen, sure, I could see them doing something, but I don't see them doing anything smaller.

    Looking at their roster, so many players are overperforming. I really wouldn't buy that what they're doing is sustainable, but then again, I've been saying that all year.
     
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    How long can we wait, though? We still need a center. I think I’ve lost my patience with JR. I don’t doubt for one second that he hasn’t being calling around pursuing players, but he needs to hurry his **** up big time if we lose today and tomorrow.
     
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    As long as they need to, because if they're actually turning a corner, having Guentzel and Sheahan as your bottom-6 centers isn't a problem.
     
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    Guentzel shouldn’t be playing center. He should be playing LW. Maybe my mind can be changed based on today’s game. Zack Smith is a LW/C so if we traded for him, Guentzel or him could play 3C and the other one with Geno-Phil.
     
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    Am I the only one that scrolls through this thread only looking for Twitter updates or @KIRK posts?
     
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    I’d say yes, but everyone is desperate right now :laugh:
     
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    Sam Reinhart has been getting calls, per McKenzie. I think JR is looking really closely at that situation. Probably cost us Sprong+
     
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    You're quite possibly right but given that Lindberg is one of the underperformers, and that they've got a real shortage of signed dmen for next year, and its a bit of an overpayment... I have mild hope.
     
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    I could see a Bozak for Jack Johnson rather than a deal with the Pens
     
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    I wonder if Sid and Jack Johnson are still BFFs?
     
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    Two organizations that don't like us, yeah I could see that or something similar. lol
     
  20. Kip Drordy

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    If the Pens have no interest in trading Phil, I would wait until the offseason and simply try to sign Bozak.
     
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    A nice reminder that Columbus paid Vegas a first rounder essentially to draft Wild Bill Karlsson.
     
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    Don’t forget Richard ;)
     
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    What could have been if we had only held onto Danny Kristo. Dare to dream, dare to dream.......
     
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    Don't post much here, but figured I'd share a neat little run in I had today.

    I work Security for Disney at Epcot.
    Pass 2 days have ran into Bonino, his wife, and their daughter as they were getting checked coming into the park.

    Both were super nice. Asked him how Nashville has been. He said good but that he missed Pittsburgh and the guys. Something about winning cups makes a city and the teammates closer to the indivduals.

    Told him he wasn't missing much, since we weren't doing so hot. He just laughed and said they'd be fine.


    Anyway. Random post from someone who doesn't do so often. But figured I'd share it anyway.
     
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    CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

    FORWARDS (13)
    Right wing: D. Sprong ($692,500) - P. Hörnqvist ($4,250,000) - P. Kessel ($6,800,000) - R. Reaves ($1,125,000)
    Centre: S. Crosby ($8,700,000) - E. Malkin ($9,500,000) - J. Pageau ($3,100,000) - R. Sheahan ($2,075,000)
    Left wing: D. Simon ($692,500) - J. Guentzel ($734,167) - C. Hagelin ($4,000,000) - T. Kühnhackl ($625,000) - G. Wilson ($650,000)

    DEFENSE (7)
    Right: K. Letang ($7,250,000) - J. Schultz ($5,500,000) - J. Oleksiak ($964,688) - C. Ruhwedel ($650,000)
    Left: B. Dumoulin ($4,100,000) - O. Määttä ($4,083,333) - J. Johnson ($4,357,143)

    GOALTENDER (2)
    M. Murray ($3,750,000) - T. Jarry ($630,833)

    DETAILS
    Roster Size: 22
    NHL Salary Cap: $75,000,000
    Bonus Overages: $50,000
    Cap Hit: $74,280,164
    Cap Space: $719,836

    Rust and Rowney on LTIR
    Hunwick+pick for Jack Johnson (the famous Scuderi-for-Daley-type-deal)
    Cole to Toronto for picks
    Sheary+picks for Pageau


    Errrr.... if Geno is hurt, trade for Brassard instead of Pageau
     
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