RW/C Elias Pettersson - Växjö Lakers HC, SHL (2017, 5th, VAN) Part 3

[LemonSauceD]

I literally said Petterssons season was more impressive than Nylanders.

It’s not like Pettersson was some saviour for Växjö this season the way you first made it out to be, even without him they would be a front-runner for the gold, he has benefitted off Växjö as much as they have benefitted off him.

Trust me I am as happy as you are that he broke a 42 year old record, Sweden needs more prospects like Pettersson.

updated my post btw.

 

[EK47]

updated my post btw.

I saw that, we mostly agree I’d be happy with Pettersson posting around the same numbers as Nylander in his first two NHL seasons, hell I’d be happy with 10 points less.

 

[X66]

Your cherry picked stats don't mean much when you're a Leafs fan, obviously you're going to prefer your own player.

It’s not cherry picking when it’s true.

You guys are essentially comparing Pettersson’s 19 year old season to Nylander’s 18 year old season.

Nylander didn’t play a single game in the SHL as a 19 year old. On the flip side he was in the NHL by that time.

Pettersson should be a good one, but every Canuck fan should be thrilled even if he’s slightly worse than Nylander, that alone is quite a player.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I saw that, we mostly agree I’d be happy with Pettersson posting around the same numbers as Nylander in his first two NHL seasons, hell I’d be happy with a bit less.

If Pettersson has the same rookie season as Nylander, I would be very thrilled indeed.

 

[Orca Smash]

It’s not cherry picking when it’s true.

You guys are essentially comparing Pettersson’s 19 year old season to Nylander’s 18 year old season.

Nylander didn’t play a single game in the SHL as a 19 year old. On the flip side he was in the NHL by that time.

There is no agreement on this in the community wether to use D+1 or birth year, everyone has an opinion,that should be clear not displayed as fact. Its also hard to compare when we dont know at what age each player started playing to gauge how much more development one had over the other.

 

[X66]

There is no agreement on this in the community wether to use D+1 or birth year, everyone has an opinion,that should be clear not displayed as fact. Its also hard to compare when we dont know at what age each player started playing to gauge how much more development one had over the other.

Scouts and player development people have been talking about age/late birthdays for ages.

I'm not saying development is linear, but lets not act like there is no difference comparing a mostly 19 year old season with a purely 18 year old one.

 

[42]

Scouts and player development people have been talking about age/late birthdays for ages.

I'm not saying development is linear, but lets not act like there is no difference comparing a mostly 19 year old season with a purely 18 year old one.

Also, let's not inflate the age difference. Nylander is a May birthday while Pettersson is a November so the age difference in their respective D+1 is six months.

 

[42]

If Pettersson has the same rookie season as Nylander, I would be very thrilled indeed.

As long as you consider Nylander's rookie season to be 2016/17 then yes (he played 22 games in 2015/16)

 

[X66]

Also, let's not inflate the age difference. Nylander is a May birthday while Pettersson is a November so the age difference in their respective D+1 is six months.

That's a big difference at that age.

It's big enough gap to ensure that Nylander didn't play a single game of pro-hockey in his D+1 as a 19 year-old.

 

[Cupless44]

Either way...Pettersson broke a 42 year old record and led the SEL in scoring as a teenager. He is pretty good.

 

[justafan22]

Either way...Pettersson broke a 42 year old record and led the SEL in scoring as a teenager. He is pretty good.

If he produces at the same rate nylander has so far in his career, it's a good thing for the canucks.

He's a likely 55-65 point player year in and out

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Scouts and player development people have been talking about age/late birthdays for ages.

I'm not saying development is linear, but lets not act like there is no difference comparing a mostly 19 year old season with a purely 18 year old one.

With that logic
Laine is much better than Mathews, because he’s almost a year younger than him

 

[Orca Smash]

Scouts and player development people have been talking about age/late birthdays for ages.

I'm not saying development is linear, but lets not act like there is no difference comparing a mostly 19 year old season with a purely 18 year old one.

Who said there was, but they were born a little more then 5 months apart in their draft year, you are putting enormous emphasis on this based on your view of birth year being the superior indicator and method to evaluate prospects, I personally dont hold that strong of belief on the subject unless we are discussing extreme examples, such as someone born in late September and someone born in july. Thats just my personal view when I have evaluated two players and how much of an impact this theory might actually have especially when I dont know at what age these kids started playing in their development.

Hockey people also use draft season as well, again no consensus on this.

 

[Orca Smash]

With that logic
Laine is much better than Mathews, because he’s almost a year younger than him

Well thats the thing then, by this logic what laine is doing this year should be compared to what mathews did last year since laine is a younger then him.

 

[NoRaise4Brackett]

If you buy into the 6 month age difference being a factor, then the difference in physical maturity should also be a factor.

 

[Brock Boeser]

Well thats the thing then, by this logic what laine is doing this year should be compared to what mathews did last year since laine is a younger then him.

It won't fit the narrative so that can't be used in debate.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

If he produces at the same rate nylander has so far in his career, it's a good thing for the canucks.

He's a likely 55-65 point player year in and out

I'd be surprised if he doesn't produce better than that TBH.

 

[stampedingviking]

The reason it is hard to compare their D+1 is because they were different.

Nylander in his Draft+1 was an 18 year-old, the entire season.

Pettersson in his Draft+1 was a 19 year-old for most of the season.

That is really big at that age.

Pettersson played 16 games as an 18-year old in his D+1 year, Nylander played his entire D+1 year has an 18 year-old.

When Nylander was 19, he tore up the AHL and made the NHL down the stretch.

If Nylander was putting up 45 points in 38 games in the AHL and scoring at a 50 point pace in the NHL as a 19 year-old, no doubt in my mind he had the ability to put up monster numbers in the SHL on a good team.

I'd say Nylander had been the more impressive prospect overall. His explosiveness is what probably sets them apart, but who knows how it plays down the road.

Canuck fans should pray that Pettersson has Nylander's impact.

 

[LemonSauceD]

With that logic
Laine is much better than Mathews, because he’s almost a year younger than him

Tbh, Laine is proving to be as good as Matthews.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

So....
As soon as a prospect turns 19 in the middle of the season, his achievement should be discredited a bit because it automatically count as D+2 even though it’s actually his D+1 season.

That sounds about right, it doesn’t matter that the kid is still a rookie in the SHL regardless.

 

[Goon42]

The reason it is hard to compare their D+1 is because they were different.

Nylander in his Draft+1 was an 18 year-old, the entire season.

Pettersson in his Draft+1 was a 19 year-old for most of the season.

That is really big at that age.

Pettersson played 16 games as an 18-year old in his D+1 year, Nylander played his entire D+1 year has an 18 year-old.

When Nylander was 19, he tore up the AHL and made the NHL down the stretch.

If Nylander was putting up 45 points in 38 games in the AHL and scoring at a 50 point pace in the NHL as a 19 year-old, no doubt in my mind he had the ability to put up monster numbers in the SHL on a good team.

I'd say Nylander had been the more impressive prospect overall. His explosiveness is what probably sets them apart, but who knows how it plays down the road.

Canuck fans should pray that Pettersson has Nylander's impact.

Where is the kys emoji?

 

[Index]

I’m glad to see Vancouver has some wonderful pieces like EP and Boeser moving forward. I’m actually hoping you win the lottery and get Dahlin as well so you can move forward with excellent young pieces at C, wing and on D.

If EP develops into a center (I think he will, smart player suited for the center position) They have great depth at that position (Horvat, Pettersson, Gaudette and Sutter)

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

If you buy into the 6 month age difference being a factor, then the difference in physical maturity should also be a factor.

It’s funny because tanks to the weird argument brought up by that leafs fan, I think we all kinda forgot that it’s not actually a 6 months difference but 2 years and 6 months.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

The reason it is hard to compare their D+1 is because they were different.

Nylander in his Draft+1 was an 18 year-old, the entire season.

Pettersson in his Draft+1 was a 19 year-old for most of the season.

That is really big at that age.

Pettersson played 16 games as an 18-year old in his D+1 year, Nylander played his entire D+1 year has an 18 year-old.

When Nylander was 19, he tore up the AHL and made the NHL down the stretch.

If Nylander was putting up 45 points in 38 games in the AHL and scoring at a 50 point pace in the NHL as a 19 year-old, no doubt in my mind he had the ability to put up monster numbers in the SHL on a good team.

I'd say Nylander had been the more impressive prospect overall. His explosiveness is what probably sets them apart, but who knows how it plays down the road.

Canuck fans should pray that Pettersson has Nylander's impact.

Just want to add that all of these are bull craps.
The real reasons why it’s hard to compare these two players are
1. They were drated 3 years apart
2. Nylander never played a full season in the SHL

 

[lawrence]

lol look at Boeser's WJC performance, it was brutal.

so was Bo Horvat, Jake Virtanen and Jonah Gajovich.