Rumor: Rumours and Proposals | Aston-Reese Signs with PIT

[Mr Positive]

He is one id look at forsure. If Colorado goes crazy this offseason I could see Barrie becoming available for not all that much

Barrie is the one I'd really want us to go after, assuming that Shattenkirk truly wants to go to the NY area. Chia would know this for sure since he's the one talking to the Blues and Shatty's agent.

I don't think Anaheim would trade us Vatanen. They'd take far less value to trade him out of the division, especially to a rival like us.

But even then, maybe we don't want to make this move anymore. We'll see how this season plays out and the playoffs (assuming we make it). Maybe we're fine as we are except some minor moves.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

What? Who's on LTIR? Why wouldn't Desharnais get a contract? We're paying another small center 6M per who has never reached DD's career high in points.

hypothetically.....

isnt ference on ltir? fayne? pouliot? i dunno.....


can't you just tell your guy to go on ltir and pay a doctor a bag of money?

 

[Aceboogie]

Of course this brings us to the disagreement again of whether or not we want to keep Russell. There are many people who want to re-sign Russell, including me. And there's no real evidence that he'll chase the dollar - he was offered more money, didn't take the deals, and then eventually signed with us for less. Who is to say he declined because he thought he'd get more? Maybe he declined because he didn't like the fit of the team who wanted to sign him?

However - I would agree that Russell being taken isn't a horrible option, because there is just as much chance of him leaving as there is staying, imo. And as many people here have been saying, it would be nice to get that PMD that would get a lot of points on the PP and play on our bottom pairing.

Hey I cant say I know forsure why he decline deals. But I think this is a tad idealistic. 99% of NHL players sign mostly for the $$, guys turning down big $ for a certain team is a very rare occurance. Im going to have to go with the guys like Lebrun and Kyper who had him asking for an arm and a leg. This offseason hell show his true colors either way (not that I think taking max $ is bad at all)

Regardless, I dont think him resigning here is a foregone conclusion. With the cap already a bit tight his $$ will need to go to a better fit on the roster. Resigning Russell would shut the door on bringing in a puck moving RD (unless you are going to get rid of Benning- which IMO would be a very poor move). Russell would take up a roster spot and cap space. Id resign Russell at 3.5/4mil IF we didnt have a puck moving RD available. But id do everything to look for a puck moving RD to slot into the 2rd or 3rd role

Right now and for next~2/3 years Russell is the only liquid D available to move. Id cant see Chiarelli dealing Nurse (loves the kid and progessing). Larsson- not a chance, Klefbom- MAAAYBE but very, very tough to see. Sekera has a NMC. Benning- maybe in a year or two

 

[Jet Walters]

hypothetically.....

isnt ference on ltir? fayne? pouliot? i dunno.....


can't you just tell your guy to go on ltir and pay a doctor a bag of money?

If Chia wants Desharnais on the roster next year I think he'd have to sign him in July. It might depend on what they do with RNH and if they plan to keep Drai on the wing. I think it's safe to say bags of money to doctors and LTIR will not play a factor.

 

[Raab]

Hey I cant say I know forsure why he decline deals. But I think this is a tad idealistic. 99% of NHL players sign mostly for the $$, guys turning down big $ for a certain team is a very rare occurance. Im going to have to go with the guys like Lebrun and Kyper who had him asking for an arm and a leg. This offseason hell show his true colors either way (not that I think taking max $ is bad at all)

Regardless, I dont think him resigning here is a foregone conclusion. With the cap already a bit tight his $$ will need to go to a better fit on the roster. Resigning Russell would shut the door on bringing in a puck moving RD (unless you are going to get rid of Benning- which IMO would be a very poor move). Russell would take up a roster spot and cap space. Id resign Russell at 3.5/4mil IF we didnt have a puck moving RD available. But id do everything to look for a puck moving RD to slot into the 2rd or 3rd role

Right now and for next~2/3 years Russell is the only liquid D available to move. Id cant see Chiarelli dealing Nurse (loves the kid and progessing). Larsson- not a chance, Klefbom- MAAAYBE but very, very tough to see. Sekera has a NMC. Benning- maybe in a year or two

It's not all about the money. Location and security plays as big of factor IMO. At least for the older guys with families.

 

[Aceboogie]

It's not all about the money. Location and security plays as big of factor IMO. At least for the older guys with families.

Location is the only thing Oilers could sell him because hes a hometown player. The one thing Oilers could not offer is security. Since the left side is stacked already as it is. Nurse will just continue to make him expandable. Then all of our left hand D would have to bust for him to even have that bototm pairing role

Say Vancouver comes swooping in with a 4 year, 4m mil deal with a NMC. pretty tough to pass up

 

[RuneMcEres]

Barrie is the one I'd really want us to go after, assuming that Shattenkirk truly wants to go to the NY area. Chia would know this for sure since he's the one talking to the Blues and Shatty's agent.

I really don't want Barrie at all. I've actually watched some Colorado games lately (!!!), and he's been atrocious, to say the least. Fair enough, he's probaly dialling it in right now, but doesn't that also speak something of his character? A guy like MacKinnon is out there giving his all. I would have liked to see the same attitude from Barrie. He just doesn't seem like a future member of a Stanley Cup winner, espcially with regards to his defensive shortcomings. Something doesn't sit right with me when it comes to Barrie.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

I really don't want Barrie at all. I've actually watched some Colorado games lately (!!!), and he's been atrocious, to say the least. Fair enough, he's probaly dialling it in right now, but doesn't that also speak something of his character? A guy like MacKinnon is out there giving his all. I would have liked to see the same attitude from Barrie. He just doesn't seem like a future member of a Stanley Cup winner, espcially with regards to his defensive shortcomings. Something doesn't sit right with me when it comes to Barrie.

You pretty much just described Justin Schultz here. Situation has a lot to do with it, Barrie could come here leaving a bad situation, fit like a glove and do the same thing for us Schultz is doing in Pittsburgh.

There are others who I think would be a better fit for what we need but if Colorado wants to trade Barrie I think it's something they should look at. Despite his defensive short comings he's a right shot who puts up big numbers from the back end and that is something our team is missing.

 

[tiger_80]

You pretty much just described Justin Schultz here. Situation has a lot to do with it, Barrie could come here leaving a bad situation, fit like a glove and do the same thing for us Schultz is doing in Pittsburgh.

There are others who I think would be a better fit for what we need but if Colorado wants to trade Barrie I think it's something they should look at. Despite his defensive short comings he's a right shot who puts up big numbers from the back end and that is something our team is missing.

Yeah, I think he's an offensive d-man in Shultz mode--ideally he's no 4-5 with PP time. The OIlers might be in a good position to provide enough sheltering at this stage, provided they can get him for cheap (Eberle or RNH).

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Russell
Barrie-Nurse
Benning

It's a nice defense.

 

[TheBusDriver]

Yeah, I think he's an offensive d-man in Shultz mode--ideally he's no 4-5 with PP time. The OIlers might be in a good position to provide enough sheltering at this stage, provided they can get him for cheap (Eberle or RNH).

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Russell
Barrie-Nurse
Benning

It's a nice defense.

If we get tyson barrie hes higher in the lineup than russell LOL.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Barrie
Nurse-Benning
Gryba/Osterle

Thats what Id like next season.

 

[McSuper]

Agreed, that would be very ideal. We have enough defensive Dmen anyway, with Larsson, Nurse, and Reinhart who is developing nicely, by all accounts. The league is moving towards having puck moving D over defensive Dmen who can't really move the puck or add offense. It seems that teams with high D offensive output seem to be in playoff positions, and the ones that don't are in or near the bottom of the standings. That's not the only aspect or reason why, but I think it's certainly one of them. I could be wrong, but I think if you tally all the points from Dmen for each team, you'd see that teams with the highest offensive output from their D are in playoff positions for the most part (not 100%, but most of them). You need Dmen who can move the puck up the ice efficiently. Luckily for us, Larsson and Nurse are great two-way guys, so it's not like they lack that ability. Russell I don't think is needed.

I'd rather try and get a guy like Mike Green from the Red Wings

and add more offense from the D, and another weapon on the PP, and he can play on the right-side on the 2nd pairing with Sekera. But that's just my two cents.

As for Zach Aston-Reese, not sad about 'missing out' on him. Seems he had one big year this past season. But looking at prior seasons, they are very mediocre to bad -- especially with the goal scoring. Doesn't seem to me like someone who has high potential in the NHL. Could be wrong, of course, but I would be very surprised if he becomes a star, or even a high-end 2nd line scorer. But we'll see.

110% agree with you on all things especially Green . I can not stand the thoughts of signing Russell to a 4 X 4 contract . I want an upgrade on him . RHD that can QB he PP is the ideal . I am glad we had Russell this year . I just want a better D for the 2nd pairing .

Green + For RNH . Resign DD or someone better defensively if Pulju is ready for the NHL next year .

Maroon McDavid Pulju
Lucic Draisaitl Eberle/XXX move him if he doesn't start producing
Slepyshev DD/XXX Kassian/Pitlick ?

 

[CaptainSexyPants]

Thatd be awesome. Thatd kill 2 birds with one stone and wed lose a guy to expansion draft wed lose to free agency anyway. Itd allow us to virtually not lose anyone. This is my ideal outcome

Although if Pouliot starts to produce a bit maybe they pick him because hes a vet thats shown to be able to play in top 6. But thats a double edge sword because if Pouliot improves hed add great depth, only to be lost in expansion draft

Totally disagree, though admittedly I'm a much bigger Russell fan than most. For the first time...since 2006?...we actually have a good D corps and Russell's a huge part of that. #1 in even strength minutes, and we really seem to struggle when he's out of the lineup. He takes the unsung hero award by a landslide, IMO.

Agree that an offensive RHD would be nice, but it's less important with Klefbom's emergence there. And I don't think that addition has to come at the expense of Russell. A bottom pairing specialist type is a lot easier to find- and a lot cheaper- than a middle pair one.

Russell's unquestioningly a top 4 D, and they're not that easy to get. If we can sign him for around 4 mil it's well worth it IMO. Injuries happen and without Russell, if Larsson, Klefbom or Sekera go down for any length of time we're right back to playing bottom pair guys way over their heads.

Signing him is a no brainer in my mind. 1, we're a worse team without him, and 2, it's just bad business to let an asset walk. If Nurse, Reinhart, Benning continue to progress and we have to trade Russell to make room, that's a good problem to have.

 

[40oz]

With Aston-Reese gone, I hope the Oilers take a run at Mike Vecchione and/or Spencer Foo.

 

[Draiskull]

I dont think we can commit to Russell for more than 1 year.
You just cant keep Nurse down on bottom pairing for too long and Russell in top 4 is fine if we want to remain a bubble playoffs team but we need a big addition in our top 4 to become a contender.

4M x 1yr is fine but let him walk if he wants a 4 or 5 yr deal.

 

[Aerchon]

You pretty much just described Justin Schultz here. Situation has a lot to do with it, Barrie could come here leaving a bad situation, fit like a glove and do the same thing for us Schultz is doing in Pittsburgh.

There are others who I think would be a better fit for what we need but if Colorado wants to trade Barrie I think it's something they should look at. Despite his defensive short comings he's a right shot who puts up big numbers from the back end and that is something our team is missing.

Barrie has huge questions about his defensive play much like Schultz. Like Schultz was when he was here, he is making too much for what he brings to the table.

I would take Barrie for 1 or 2 mill like Schultz did and see how it goes but 3 more years at 5.5 cap hit and then is a UFA... That's garbage.

I hope the Oilers avoid Barrie like the plague. I personally would need at least 50% retained salary by Colorado to even consider adding him to the Oilers. I am not even sure he can be considered a top 4 defender. Especially after this year he seems more a bottom pairing PP specialist at best.

Lol, after Barrie's year this year putting Bear in the line up next year makes more sense than acquiring Barrie.

 

[Canovin]

I dont think we can commit to Russell for more than 1 year.
You just cant keep Nurse down on bottom pairing for too long and Russell in top 4 is fine if we want to remain a bubble playoffs team but we need a big addition in our top 4 to become a contender.

4M x 1yr is fine but let him walk if he wants a 4 or 5 yr deal.

I'm not opposed to this. Russell will help shelter Nurse and Benning for another year. The same way, Florida could have used Campbell for another year instead of leaving Ekblad exposed.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

With Aston-Reese gone, I hope the Oilers take a run at Mike Vecchione and/or Spencer Foo.

I thought someone posted earlier that Foo was headed back to college.

 

[Arpeggio]

Barrie has a way better track record than Schultz. I'd be thrilled bringing him in. He's basically a 50 point defenceman. On a historically bad team he still might put up 40.

 

[Jet Walters]

What would we need to add to RNH/Eberle for the following packages?

-Green (6) and Athanasiou (RFA)

-Savard (4.25) and Jenner (2.9)

-Petrovic (RFA) and Bjugstad (4.1)

Those 3 defensemen would be good fits to round out the top 4.

 

[Aerchon]

I dont think we can commit to Russell for more than 1 year.
You just cant keep Nurse down on bottom pairing for too long and Russell in top 4 is fine if we want to remain a bubble playoffs team but we need a big addition in our top 4 to become a contender.

4M x 1yr is fine but let him walk if he wants a 4 or 5 yr deal.

Nurse just keeps looking better and better to my eye, albeit slowly and with bumps along the way. But Nurse is destined to be our bottom pairing anchor for a long time. No way he bumps either Sekera (5 years) or Klefbom (6 years) with their skill sets, experience, and effectiveness in the top 4.

Nurse still has a long ways to go before he can be considered a top 4 defender. Let alone a top 4 defender that can play on his off side like we need and Russell can do.

Giving Russell 4 x 4 is a bit much and I don't think he can command that much on the market. He is a #3/4 something even Vegas should have an abundance of.

If Russel stays with the team I would guess 3.75ish for 2 to 3 years.

 

[Mr Positive]

Nurse just keeps looking better and better to my eye, albeit slowly and with bumps along the way. But Nurse is destined to be our bottom pairing anchor for a long time. No way he bumps either Sekera (5 years) or Klefbom (6 years) with their skill sets, experience, and effectiveness in the top 4.

Nurse still has a long ways to go before he can be considered a top 4 defender. Let alone a top 4 defender that can play on his off side like we need and Russell can do.

Giving Russell 4 x 4 is a bit much and I don't think he can command that much on the market. He is a #3/4 something even Vegas should have an abundance of.

If Russel stays with the team I would guess 3.75ish for 2 to 3 years.

for sure I doubt Vegas would give Russell 4 x 4, but imo lots of teams would. Colorado and Winnipeg would be very eager imo. Probably a handful of other teams out there too. Basically any team that has good pieces, are desperate for playoffs, but just needs a dose of stability.

 

[Aerchon]

What would we need to add to RNH/Eberle for the following packages?

-Green (6) and Athanasiou (RFA)

-Savard (4.25) and Jenner (2.9)

-Petrovic (RFA) and Bjugstad (4.1)

Those 3 defensemen would be good fits to round out the top 4.

I like both those players.

Petrovic would be great instead of Russell.

Bjugstad really is more of a over priced bottom 6 center tho, that really struggled this year against tougher competition. Not sure I would move out Nuge for him even with Leon in the line up.

I don't think they trade either of those guys tho. Pretty sure everyone is high on both even after a bad year. They would cost more than I would want to part with I am sure.

 

[Draiskull]

Nurse just keeps looking better and better to my eye, albeit slowly and with bumps along the way. But Nurse is destined to be our bottom pairing anchor for a long time. No way he bumps either Sekera (5 years) or Klefbom (6 years) with their skill sets, experience, and effectiveness in the top 4.

One can argue that no way Sekera and Klefbom can keep Nurse on the 3rd pairing with their limitations. Klefbom or Sekera even when (not if) they get bumped out of top 4 will still get their minutes (18+) because of special teams.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Barrie is actually a little underrated... a very crappy team and he's still close to top 30 in D scoring.

His defense certainly isn't great which is why most are leery of adding him... truth be told I would prefer a more two way player as well but I think his offensive upside playing on this team is worth his cost.

 

[Aceboogie]

One can argue that no way Sekera and Klefbom can keep Nurse on the 3rd pairing with their limitations. Klefbom or Sekera even when (not if) they get bumped out of top 4 will still get their minutes (18+) because of special teams.

Im not all that sure. I think he can bump Sekera out of top 4. But Klefbom is still really young in his career (only 73 games more pro games than Nurse). So Klefbom is still developing defensively and already is posting ~15 goals ~35 points this young. In next 1.5 years we could see Klefbom get top PP minutes (20 goals a chance?) as well as round out defensively. Klefbom, IMO, will be a #1 D and is trending to that. Nurse would have to be really, really good to unthrone him from top pairing. Especially considering Klefbom-Larsson already show so much chemistry

Regardless, 5/6ths of our D core is nearly unmoveable or doesnt need to be moved. We have a pretty set D core for foreseeable future. Only Russell really is expandable