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[I am the Liquor]

As bad as a GM MacT was, doesn't mean he's a useless hockey mind. He was good at scouting college and europe from what I gather. He's essentially like the rest of the Oiler players, doing something he wasn't ready for.

He is the dumbest man in hockey.

 

[Psychoil]

Nill seems to be quite overrated. He really hasn't done a heck of a lot in Dallas outside of getting lucky with Seguin. With that being said I agree we should've had a process and I don't think we did.

Spezza too, also drafted klingberg and got sharp. I'd say he's done a pretty admirable job. And the stars are a very good team because of it minus goaltending

 

[Paralyzer008]

He is the dumbest man in hockey.

 

[Paralyzer]

 

[Aceboogie]

He is the dumbest man in hockey.

How exactly do you know this? Have you ever actually sat in a meeting with him? If a cup winning GM thinks he has enough value to listen too, I think you have to think he does have some good ideas

 

[The Nuge]

Nill seems to be quite overrated. He really hasn't done a heck of a lot in Dallas outside of getting lucky with Seguin. With that being said I agree we should've had a process and I don't think we did.

Ya, and not to mention that that team might be dismantled within a season. Their UFA's by the end of next year are: Sharp, Benn, Hemsky, Eaves, Fiddler, Sceviour, Moen, Oduya, Goligoski, Demers, Russell, and Benn. Obviously they won't lose everyone, but Benn's going to be asking for at least double his current salary, and all of their dmen will want significant raises to stay. Nill now needs to prove he can manage the cap

 

[Beerfish]

Tambo was twice the Gm mact was and that is saying something.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

What contracts that Tambo signed were are bad as the Nikitin, Ference and Fayne ones? Tambo also didn't bring a dud like Eakins in to really run the team off the rails.

 

[oXo Cube]

MacT is clearly a better 'hockey mind' than Howson IMO. He might have a case over Jim Benning too.

Not a very impressive couple of guys he surpasses, mind.

 

[Aceboogie]

Spezza too, also drafted klingberg and got sharp. I'd say he's done a pretty admirable job. And the stars are a very good team because of it minus goaltending

Klingberg was drafted in 2010, Nill hired 2013. Nill was their for pick of Nichuskin tho, which appears as a mispick

Was also the GM for Gurianov who has 5 points in the KHL and seems like worst pick of 1st round

Nill is a solid GM yes, but he was the receipt of 2 good players from teams in two different binds. Boston has Neely basically demanding Seguin traded and Chicago had cap issues. He also inherited Jamie Benn, who himself is a top 5 NHL player

Nill is a lot like Lowe in 2005/06 who was recipient of some good players from unlucky teams (Pronger).

I mean beyond those trades Nill has failed to build up the D, failed to get goaltending

 

[I am the Liquor]

What contracts that Tambo signed were are bad as the Nikitin, Ference and Fayne ones? Tambo also didn't bring a dud like Eakins in to really run the team off the rails.

The team was supposed to be bad under Tambo. Mission accomplished. The team was supposed to win under the dumbest man in hockey. He spent to the cap and oversaw the worst team in the league. Moral of the story is it is impossible to be as bad as Crapt, even when trying.

 

[Paralyzer008]

What contracts that Tambo signed were are bad as the Nikitin, Ference and Fayne ones? Tambo also didn't bring a dud like Eakins in to really run the team off the rails.

MacT sucks too, don't get me wrong. Nikitin was unbearably bad and I remember being so mad that day. HF was mad at me for being mad

There was some positives with MacT though. I like Pouliot even at 4, Hendricks was a fantastic acquisition. Pakarinen and Oesterle have some potential still. Draft record also was a bit better than Tambo (who allowed for Moroz, Musil early picks). Even though I didn't love the Smid deal, Brossoit could still be a backup at the NHL level.

Tambellini got us the draft pick that became Klefbom but otherwise was part of a terrible draft record and couldn't acquire anybody with longevity. Only made depth moves during the rebuild that all failed. Eric Belanger?

His ineptitude during the rebuild years are the reason why we don't have any depth to plug in today.

Tambellini traded Tobias Rieder away too. Dumb.

Also, in the one season where we actually had a chance at success, he goes into the deadline and acquires Jerred Smithson? That was the ammo to add to the charge?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

MacT is clearly a better 'hockey mind' than Howson IMO. He might have a case over Jim Benning too.

Not a very impressive couple of guys he surpasses, mind.

Howson did far more good for Columbus than MacT ever did here as a GM.

 

[syz]

What contracts that Tambo signed were are bad as the Nikitin, Ference and Fayne ones? Tambo also didn't bring a dud like Eakins in to really run the team off the rails.

Ference is basically just the new Khabibulin; I'd call that a draw. Belanger would be worse than Nikitin if not for the charity buyout. Still don't see what's wrong with Fayne.

Also curious that people still think Tambo was trying to lose... while simultaneously spending to the cap.

 

[Young Lions*]

What contracts that Tambo signed were are bad as the Nikitin, Ference and Fayne ones?

Khabibulin and Cam Barker come to mind.

Tambo also didn't bring a dud like Eakins in to really run the team off the rails.

He brought in Pat Quinn.

But his real issue was trades. I don't think he won a single deal. Trade Brodiziak for nothing, Cogliano for nothing, traded Lubo for one-legged Whitney, Tom Gilbert for Nick Shultz...

 

[Bryanbryoil]

MacT sucks too, don't get me wrong. Nikitin was unbearably bad and I remember being so mad that day. HF was mad at me for being mad

There was some positives with MacT though. I like Pouliot even at 4, Hendricks was a fantastic acquisition. Pakarinen and Oesterle have some potential still. Draft record also was a bit better than Tambo. Even though I didn't love the Smid deal, Brossoit could still be a backup at the NHL level.

Tambellini got us the draft pick that became Klefbom but otherwise was part of a terrible draft record and couldn't acquire anybody with longevity. Only made depth moves during the rebuild that all failed. Eric Belanger?

His ineptitude during the rebuild years are the reason why we don't have any depth to plug in today.

Also, in the one season where we actually had a chance at success, he goes into the deadline and acquires Jerred Smithson? That was the ammo to add to the charge?

The draft part is what makes Tambo look so bad. We had 3 2nd rounders in '10 and 1 in a fringe NHLer. MacT went all in on the likes of Ference, Fayne and Nikitin and then basically left Petry feeling like he was chopped liver and unwanted. Petry may not be great but he's worlds better than those duds and has beens. I guess it was more important to pay Gagner than Petry. Both sucked but IMO MacT did more damage to the team. If he's back next season it will be a bad thing IMO.

 

[Aceboogie]

My god some of these arguments against MacT make me cringe. He is a bad GM, 100% hands down. He made bad moves. But the idea every idea he has is toxic is beyond ridicilous. I was not in the room with him so I am only speculating. But maybe, just maybe Tambo was exercising a tremendous amount of power in player decisions? Maybe MacT had 6 tremendous deals on the table and 1 bad move and Lowe gave green light for the 1 bad move? This is not far-fetched, and by the fact MacT has been kept somewhat close to Chiarelli and Nicholson gives some merit to this idea

MacT also made moves widely supported by Oil fans at the time. But revisionist history is a B**** I guess

 

[Seachd]

Why does anyone think Jim Nill would have been available for the Oilers?

 

[Paralyzer008]

I asked the Bruins board about Colin Miller. They didn't want to deal him.

They proposed Hayes for Yakupov and then tried to give us Seidenberg.

Feel like Sweeney might have the same reaction.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Ference is basically just the new Khabibulin; I'd call that a draw. Belanger would be worse than Nikitin if not for the charity buyout. Still don't see what's wrong with Fayne.

Also curious that people still think Tambo was trying to lose... while simultaneously spending to the cap.

Belanger didn't have a $4.5 million price tag attached last that I checked.

What's wrong with Fayne? MacT saw him as an upgrade on Petry, that's what's wrong. He literally paid duds to take the place of a decent defenseman.

Tambo's initial plan wasn't to tank, but after it all went downhill that was quite clearly the plan.

Khabibulin and Cam Barker come to mind.



He brought in Pat Quinn.

But his real issue was trades. I don't think he won a single deal. Trade Brodiziak for nothing, Cogliano for nothing, traded Lubo for one-legged Whitney, Tom Gilbert for Nick Shultz...

Barker was a 1 year deal, big deal. Whitney was dynamite when he first got here then injuries set in and he was done like dinner.

 

[The Nuge]

MacT is clearly a better 'hockey mind' than Howson IMO. He might have a case over Jim Benning too.

Not a very impressive couple of guys he surpasses, mind.

Howson reached and took Johansen instead of Gormley, Connolly, etc. He also found a bunch of late round gems like Atkinson, Calvert, Savard, and Prout. Plus, he somehow won the Nash trade, which everyone (including myself), thought he was a moron for doing. I'd take Howson over MacT easily

 

[I am the Liquor]

My god some of these arguments against MacT make me cringe. He is a bad GM, 100% hands down. He made bad moves. But the idea every idea he has is toxic is beyond ridicilous. I was not in the room with him so I am only speculating. But maybe, just maybe Tambo was exercising a tremendous amount of power in player decisions? Maybe MacT had 6 tremendous deals on the table and 1 bad move and Lowe gave green light for the 1 bad move? This is not far-fetched, and by the fact MacT has been kept somewhat close to Chiarelli and Nicholson gives some merit to this idea

MacT also made moves widely supported by Oil fans at the time. But revisionist history is a B**** I guess

When the truth is too hard to acknowledge, just make **** up. It just feels good.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Why does anyone think Jim Nill would have been available for the Oilers?

He was an Alberta guy working in a respected management position (assisting Holland in Detroit) who was waiting on one of the 30 GM chairs to be offered to him. He was hired by Dallas in the same month that MacT was named GM so is remains reasonable to suggest that the Oilers could have offered the position to Nill if they chose to look outside the OBC.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

My god some of these arguments against MacT make me cringe. He is a bad GM, 100% hands down. He made bad moves. But the idea every idea he has is toxic is beyond ridicilous. I was not in the room with him so I am only speculating. But maybe, just maybe Tambo was exercising a tremendous amount of power in player decisions? Maybe MacT had 6 tremendous deals on the table and 1 bad move and Lowe gave green light for the 1 bad move? This is not far-fetched, and by the fact MacT has been kept somewhat close to Chiarelli and Nicholson gives some merit to this idea

MacT also made moves widely supported by Oil fans at the time. But revisionist history is a B**** I guess

He is being evaluated by Chia this season, Chia needs to see if he's worth bringing back or not. If he does return I will have lost some respect for Chia TBH.

Lowe overruling great trades by MacT really sounds like wishful thinking on your part. It's always Lowe's fault and never MacT's according to MacT fans. That's rich.

 

[CupofOil]

My god some of these arguments against MacT make me cringe. He is a bad GM, 100% hands down. He made bad moves. But the idea every idea he has is toxic is beyond ridicilous. I was not in the room with him so I am only speculating. But maybe, just maybe Tambo was exercising a tremendous amount of power in player decisions? Maybe MacT had 6 tremendous deals on the table and 1 bad move and Lowe gave green light for the 1 bad move? This is not far-fetched, and by the fact MacT has been kept somewhat close to Chiarelli and Nicholson gives some merit to this idea

MacT also made moves widely supported by Oil fans at the time. But revisionist history is a B**** I guess

He took a bad team and made it worse. Nothing else matters.

Also, he handcuffed Chia last offseason due to the anchor contracts he had on the books and depreciated assets due to the poison of the Eakins era, a man he continued to stand by despite the overwhelming evidence pointing to him being a toxic coach for this team.
Not to mention all the fan soul crushing press conferences and false promises.