Proposal: Rumors & Proposals Thread II | I Dealt The Word 'Trade' For A Thread Count. Discuss

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Aceboogie

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Are you serious hes +55 in 160 games

I dont recommend you look at Bruins board if you think this deal is close to good

2.5 for a bottom pairing D is a meh move. Not that good but not bad. 4 friggen years is MacT/Tambo esque bad
 

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Kevan is your average run of the mill bottom pairing guys. Not bad, not good but most certaintly not worth 4 years

Hes like a Derek Engelland

best tweet to this:

 

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Where's the defense?!?!?! :laugh:

That's like an NHL 16 goal.

:laugh: That must be a 5 on 3 (or perhaps 6 on 3), but wtf is going on. Backstrom has two players in the slot and 1 guy beside the net. All uncovered. Other Bruin comes into picture at end, but oh man even I could score in this situation
 

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Its funny that Chiarelli was lambasted in Boston for signing all the depth players to long term deals with high AAV. Then he leaves and this is done
 

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Its funny that Chiarelli was lambasted in Boston for signing all the depth players to long term deals with high AAV. Then he leaves and this is done

It wasn't even depth guys that they were complaining about him locking up long term. It was guys like Bergeron and Krejci... Which was an interesting stance to say the least
 

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No, NOT Okposo. As someone else said (forget who) Okposo will be the Clarkson of this year's free agent class.

except Okposo has consistently put up legit top6 points and Clarkson only ever had 1 good season...

Okposo and Eriksson get injured a lot, either would fit in great with our often injured team :p
 

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These are the type of deals that cause death by a thousand cuts. He could likely be replaced with a player making 1M less. 1M wont kill you, but if you have 5 deals with all 1M overpays, you start to feel the pressure. That 1M can be spent elsewhere. Say, offer a better D 6 mil instead of 5.5 in order to get them

Good teams have bottom 6 made up of short term 1-2 mil players
 

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That Kevin Miller deal is pretty bad tho lol. 2.5 mil for 4 (!) years for a 28 year old strictly bottom pairing D. The term is the worst part. Id wager Pardy is a similar D

Sweeney strikes again

wasn't he playing top4 for them a lot in over the past 2 seasons or so?

yeah he plays 18-19 mins last 2 seasons
 

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wasn't he playing top4 for them a lot in over the past 2 seasons or so?

Id call him a bottom pairing D based on where he should play in the line up. Its like calling Fayne a top pairing D and thus worthy of 4.5. Hes put up bottom pairing like possession stats. Ive seen nearly every Boston fan call him bottom pairing. Plus hes 28 and this was his first ever season as a NHL regular. The Bruins blueline is almost worst its ever been, so playing 18 mins for them is not really saying anything

2.5 mil can land you a pretty good depth player, much more proven than him



Lol and that guy is a Bruins lifer
 

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Miller has been solid for the B's, doing everything they need him to do. 2.5 mil is nothing, 4 years might be 1to many. He may be 28 but coming out of college he doesnt have the mileage others his age do.
 

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Okposo being compared to clarkson..thats funny

Clarkson is liek the worst, worst case outcome. But he has significant risk

Last 3 years:

Okoposo + Tavares Goals For% together: 54.8%
Okposo not with Tavares: 43.6%
Tavares apart: 53.1%

Okoposo goals for also see a drastic drop. But GF% is a crazy drop. 10% is insane and defiantly something to watch out for. Very real concern he has been carried by Tavares and stats back it up

Now not saying hes Clarkson bad, but significant risk he doesnt live up to 8mil deal
 

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Clarkson is liek the worst, worst case outcome. But he has significant risk

Last 3 years:

Okoposo + Tavares Goals For% together: 54.8%
Okposo not with Tavares: 43.6%
Tavares apart: 53.1%

Okoposo goals for also see a drastic drop. But GF% is a crazy drop. 10% is insane and defiantly something to watch out for. Very real concern he has been carried by Tavares and stats back it up

Now not saying hes Clarkson bad, but significant risk he doesnt live up to 8mil deal

well yeah he is not worth 8mil, 6 mil sure
 

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Miller has been solid for the B's, doing everything they need him to do. 2.5 mil is nothing, 4 years might be 1to many. He may be 28 but coming out of college he doesnt have the mileage others his age do.

No, not its really not. Miller is essentially Gryba. Both are same age, both have similar pro experience and roles. Both have almost the exact same possession numbers

4 years for Gyba is a bad deal. 2.5 mil for 1 year for Gryba is a bad deal. 4 years @ 2.5 mil for Gryba is a bad, bad deal

From the fancy stats side of things, it seems like Miller's game fits firmly in a bottom pairing setup and only there. His overall possession gives us this impression when generating shots and re and even a stupidly high xGA60 seems to make him look slightly...better? However, in his role of the top four, he more often than not got overrun by players that are far and above his particular skill set. As he was shuffled down the lineup, this was less of a problem, but he still struggled with high pressure situations and occasionally, and bafflingly for him, played the puck passively.

K.Miller is now an unrestricted free agent, and I really don't know if the Bruins will sign him again. He's been in the organization long enough for people to get an opinion of him, he's regularly savaged by the media for being the defensemen in some of the more embarrassing to watch goals against, and has largely not proven himself capable of the minutes he's asked to perform. If they do decide to resign, I really hope it's for cheap.

http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2016/5/5/11520688/kevan-miller-report-card-showed-little-growth-in-2015-16

His rating after this season: an F
 
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Aceboogie

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well yeah he is not worth 8mil, 6 mil sure

Well see what he gets. Getting Okposo for 6 mil is a good deal, but getting Stamkos for 7 mil is also good. Doesnt mean its going to happen. They will follow the money

A RFA Eberle after 1 good year got 6mil. A UFA Okposo after 2 good years is not settling for 6 mil
 

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Clarkson is liek the worst, worst case outcome. But he has significant risk

Last 3 years:

Okoposo + Tavares Goals For% together: 54.8%
Okposo not with Tavares: 43.6%
Tavares apart: 53.1%

Okoposo goals for also see a drastic drop. But GF% is a crazy drop. 10% is insane and defiantly something to watch out for. Very real concern he has been carried by Tavares and stats back it up

Now not saying hes Clarkson bad, but significant risk he doesnt live up to 8mil deal

With the eye issues the guy has had, he is a risk no doubt that. He will probably get around the same money, the comparisons end there.
 

Aceboogie

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With the eye issues the guy has had, he is a risk no doubt that. He will probably get around the same money, the comparisons end there.

Clarkson got 5.25 mil, there is zero chance he is signing for 5.25. He makes 4.5 right now on 1st deal. 6 mil is the starting amount and after his season this year 7 mil is closer to the amoutn hell get
 

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He is being evaluated by Chia this season, Chia needs to see if he's worth bringing back or not. If he does return I will have lost some respect for Chia TBH.

Lowe overruling great trades by MacT really sounds like wishful thinking on your part. It's always Lowe's fault and never MacT's according to MacT fans. That's rich.

I do wonder one thing tho, he was a terrible GM but what if his current role is just to scout players ? I wouldn't lose respect if Chai has him scouting Europe/ College
 
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