Player Discussion Rick Nash

[Pay Carl]

 

[Number8]

They sure can, because the guy they traded Spooner for has 4 points in his last 12 games.

If you don’t think he makes our second line more of a challenge, we’ll just disagree.

I know I’m the guy who raised Spooners points, so it might sound hypocritical. But IMO Nash passes the eye test for me — even when the points aren’t there. Spooner never did, so if he’s not producing points he’s not doing anything. IMO that is not the case for Nash. Just me, but that’s what I think.

I’m happier with him in lineup in PO’s than without. What we do with him in off-season, I think we all hope, is a long way off.

 

[Number8]

For me this is the point here. Would I love to have him score more? Of course.

But other teams have to defend against this. They can’t just say “oh he won’t score”. That opens up room for everyone and that’s a good thing.

 

[Mainehockey33]

If you don’t think he makes our second line more of a challenge, we’ll just disagree.

I know I’m the guy who raised Spooners points, so it might sound hypocritical. But IMO Nash passes the eye test for me — even when the points aren’t there. Spooner never did, so if he’s not producing points he’s not doing anything. IMO that is not the case for Nash. Just me, but that’s what I think.

I’m happier with him in lineup in PO’s than without. What we do with him in off-season, I think we all hope, is a long way off.

I like Nash in the lineup over Spooner too, but I think it’s a moot point to bring up Spooner’s lack of production when Nash’s has been worse over the same stretch. You’re point about Nash’s game being a better fit I can agree with, but he’s not a step up in offensive production yet at least.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

im ok with nash coming back but it will mean 2 not just 1 of bjork, debrusk, heinen, donato, pastrnak, backes, marchand need to be moved

theres already 7 names here and only 6 jobs. 1 already is on chopping block.

of course the trade value coming back for someone like heinen should be juicy

what makes more sense to us for the next 3 years... heinen at his new contract or nash and whatever we get for heinen?

neither nash or heinen are better than marchand, pastrnak, or debrusk imho and its debatable either will play above donato. so we are talking about who we want as our 5th depth chart winger

at 3-4 mill i keep nash... heinen would cost around the same to keep. our window to win is now

nash is no 7 million dollar savior but hes defensively sound... a big body... and good for scoring chances and 20 plus goals

at the right contract hes an asset

 

[Number8]

I like Nash in the lineup over Spooner too, but I think it’s a moot point to bring up Spooner’s lack of production when Nash’s has been worse over the same stretch. You’re point about Nash’s game being a better fit I can agree with, but he’s not a step up in offensive production yet at least.

I agree. I’d like to see more as well.

I think I introduced a red herring with Spooner. I was just reflecting on a comment(s) posted saying the price was high. I guess I just don’t see it as a hugely high price. Not inconsequential of course, but not that high either.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

im ok with nash coming back but it will mean 2 not just 1 of bjork, debrusk, heinen, donato, pastrnak, backes, marchand need to be moved

theres already 7 names here and only 6 jobs. 1 already is on chopping block.

of course the trade value coming back for someone like heinen should be juicy

what makes more sense to us for the next 3 years... heinen at his new contract or nash and whatever we get for heinen?

neither nash or heinen are better than marchand, pastrnak, or debrusk imho and its debatable either will play above donato. so we are talking about who we want as our 5th depth chart winger

at 3-4 mill i keep nash... heinen would cost around the same to keep. our window to win is now

nash is no 7 million dollar savior but hes defensively sound... a big body... and good for scoring chances and 20 plus goals

at the right contract hes an asset

Heinen's first real pro contract at $3-4Mil??? Not likely.
Would be great to move Backes, but...not bloody likely with that contract.
Unless Nash absolutely catches fire during this playoffs, I wouldn't want him back for any price, really.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I agree. I’d like to see more as well.

I think I introduced a red herring with Spooner. I was just reflecting on a comment(s) posted saying the price was high. I guess I just don’t see it as a hugely high price. Not inconsequential of course, but not that high either.

I wish the 1st was a 2nd, but overall I don’t really care.

Sure, Nash can’t snipe at all anymore, but at least he’s putting pucks on net which is never a bad thing. I don’t think he’s been bad. Maybe he should use a slap shot when he has that much time and space.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Heinen's first real pro contract at $3-4Mil??? Not likely.
Would be great to move Backes, but...not bloody likely with that contract.
Unless Nash absolutely catches fire during this playoffs, I wouldn't want him back for any price, really.

where would heinen rank among these players

victor rask
tanner pearson
charlie coyle
jean pierre gabriel (the guy in ottawa)
andres burbovsky (the washington capial)

forgive my spelling

if heinen has a 45-50 point season this year then 3 mill is his starting point negotiation for his next contract. lets remember he will be 24 and chances are the contract might buy ufa years.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

im ok with nash coming back but it will mean 2 not just 1 of bjork, debrusk, heinen, donato, pastrnak, backes, marchand need to be moved

theres already 7 names here and only 6 jobs. 1 already is on chopping block.

of course the trade value coming back for someone like heinen should be juicy

what makes more sense to us for the next 3 years... heinen at his new contract or nash and whatever we get for heinen?

neither nash or heinen are better than marchand, pastrnak, or debrusk imho and its debatable either will play above donato. so we are talking about who we want as our 5th depth chart winger

at 3-4 mill i keep nash... heinen would cost around the same to keep. our window to win is now

nash is no 7 million dollar savior but hes defensively sound... a big body... and good for scoring chances and 20 plus goals

at the right contract hes an asset

Heinen is already better than Nash. It would absolutely insane to move him in favor of Nash. Of that list, if you have to move one you move Backes first. I don't see why any of them need to be moved at this point. I don't know why you seem so eager to move Heinen.

 

[BB88]

Heinen is already better than Nash. It would absolutely insane to move him in favor of Nash. Of that list, if you have to move one you move Backes first. I don't see why any of them need to be moved at this point. I don't know why you seem so eager to move Heinen.

In a cap World I would never suggest trading younger players over vets. It can get ugly quick, as we saw with Chia.
That man thought me a lesson on value of healthy u25/prospect pool.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

In a cap World I would never suggest trading younger players over vets. It can get ugly quick, as we saw with Chia.
That man thought me a lesson on value of healthy u25/prospect pool.

what you mean is good contracts over bad... if you had a choice right now of eric staal or ryan johansson you take eric staal

If you have a choice rick nash on a 3 year deal at 4 mill or heinen at 5 years for 4 mill i think an easy argument can be made for rick nash

In 3 years we might not want either guy at 4 mill on our 3rd line with cheaper elc contracts on the way

Of course if you see heinen top 6 maybe you keep him. I see pastrnak, marchand, donato, debrusk ahead of him...

So talking aboit a 3rd liner that can command a multiyear deal at maybe 4 mill

 

[BB88]

what you mean is good contracts over bad... if you had a choice right now of eric staal or ryan johansson you take eric staal

If you have a choice rick nash on a 3 year deal at 4 mill or heinen at 5 years for 4 mill i think an easy argument can be made for rick nash

In 3 years we might not want either guy at 4 mill on our 3rd line with cheaper elc contracts on the way

Of course if you see heinen top 6 maybe you keep him. I see pastrnak, marchand, donato, debrusk ahead of him...

So talking aboit a 3rd liner that can command a multiyear deal at maybe 4 mill

Nope. In a year you are looking at where to find a #1C when Staals contract runs out. As we know that's real easy.

For the Nash vs Heinen comparison easy nope as well, you keep Heinen and if in a few years you have to move him you can move him for value, Nash goes for nothing.

So that's 2 examples where you keep the vet to lose them for nothing in no time leaving 2 big holes.
Suddenly the depth has been weakened by a lot. That's the Chia way.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Rick has already more goals than Jagr had.

Love our chances vs 2013

 

[bwdrums1]

I may be wrong. Either way, Spooner had two different segments to his final 20 with Rangers. One hot - one fairly tepid. NYR fans went from “what a steal” to “not sure we can/want to spend what he’ll get paid - let’s trade him” pretty quick. I think a lot of B’s fans can relate.

Spooner, to me, was the epitome of a 'soft' player. Good riddance. I gotta admit, though, I'm kind of bummed with what Nash has done. I had visions of the Nash from 5 years ago and back. I always thought that he was a good shooter and capable of beating people 1 on 1. He's scored a truck load of goals. Really suprised to read here that his shot is weak and inaccurate. Still hoping he'll make his mark on these playoffs.

 

[PB37]

Nash has been fine. He's getting chances, playing physical, doesn't make glaring mistakes. The biggest thing for me is that you know he can play a veteran-style playoff game and is ready for the physicality - something that can't be said for Donato ( too soon ) or Spooner ( too weak on the puck ).

 

[bearcountry17]

Hopefully Nash can start cashing in on some of those chances but I will say he has surprised me with his physicality. I always saw him to be a shrinking violet but he’s playing with some jam and has thrown some real solid checks. Good to see from a guy returning from a concussion.

 

[BruinDust]

Heinen's first real pro contract at $3-4Mil??? Not likely.
Would be great to move Backes, but...not bloody likely with that contract.
Unless Nash absolutely catches fire during this playoffs, I wouldn't want him back for any price, really.

Well he posted 47 pts. this year. Say he averages 50 pts. this season and next. If they want to go long-term (5+ years), 3-4 million is absolutely market value for that type of production.

 

[since76]

He show his elite level of skill but don't produce. He and krejci can make of bruins cup favorite if they play better.
He can have 25 chances by game if he miss all that mean nothing at all.
Sorry don't want him back, this league belong to young players and he is on fast track downhill
At 3 millions year max for 2 years, more than that...bye bye

 

[BruinsFTW]

I'd like to see more out of Rick for sure...He was playing like a guy I'd like to resign next year...but in the playoffs that extra gear just doesn't seem to be there..Hes had some golden chances to show up and bury one and just didn't....You'd think a guy like him would be hungry for a cup...And if he can't find that gear surrounded by vets like Chara, Bergy, Backes etc...then I don't think he has it..I hope he shows up at some point because we'll need him if we go deep..

Not to say hes been horrible..hes been physical and lead to scoring chances and has been noticeable..but he needs to be better. This is the playoffs.

 

[ODAAT]

I'd like to see more out of Rick for sure...He was playing like a guy I'd like to resign next year...but in the playoffs that extra gear just doesn't seem to be there..Hes had some golden chances to show up and bury one and just didn't....You'd think a guy like him would be hungry for a cup...And if he can't find that gear surrounded by vets like Chara, Bergy, Backes etc...then I don't think he has it..I hope he shows up at some point because we'll need him if we go deep..

Not to say hes been horrible..hes been physical and lead to scoring chances and has been noticeable..but he needs to be better. This is the playoffs.

I`ve been one who`s on the record as being weary of Nash come playoff time myself, that said, coming off a concussion, I`ve actually appreciated his game, hasn`t shied away or bailed from contact, has not at all been shy to shoot either. Pts might not be there but I have had no issues with his overall game. That said, he ain`t paid to miss

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

I`ve been one who`s on the record as being weary of Nash come playoff time myself, that said, coming off a concussion, I`ve actually appreciated his game, hasn`t shied away or bailed from contact, has not at all been shy to shoot either. Pts might not be there but I have had no issues with his overall game. That said, he ain`t paid to miss

I was also wary; now I'm becoming weary.

Our two 33 year olds (he and Backes) are, lets face it, merely complementary players for us--although we acquired them to be, and expected them to be, major pieces of our top 9.

The success of guys like DeBrusk, Heinen, RileyNash and the worker B line have actually served to mask how sub par the acquisitions of Backes and Nash have been.

I know that picking players is like picking horses, but the abject failure of throwing large money and terms at both Beleskey and Backes, and the relative unimpressive play of Nash61, is concerning.

 

[chizzler]

I don’t think Nash will be back. He’s playing good for the Bruins. Some team will pay him. The Bruins have a replacement for him. As for Heinen and his spot, I could see him on the second line and do the same as Nash. Doubt he gets 3-4 mil though. One year isn’t going to get you that.

 

[TheReal13Linseman]

God this guy really sucks. Ghost. Floater. No passing skill. Just a big ZERO. Shoulda picked up Vanek. WTF

 

[TCB]

I was also wary; now I'm becoming weary.

Our two 33 year olds (he and Backes) are, lets face it, merely complementary players for us--although we acquired them to be, and expected them to be, major pieces of our top 9.

The success of guys like DeBrusk, Heinen, RileyNash and the worker B line have actually served to mask how sub par the acquisitions of Backes and Nash have been.

I know that picking players is like picking horses, but the abject failure of throwing large money and terms at both Beleskey and Backes, and the relative unimpressive play of Nash61, is concerning.

I agree to extent. Backus brings a lot to the table. Exactly what he's always brought, Sweeney just gave him to much for too long. Rick Nash, never been a big fan his good defensive play has saved him thus far but eventually him not being able to put the puck in the net will prove costly.

Beleskey was just a disaster!