Pittsburgh finishes #22 overall, wins the #1 lottery, Sharks are pushed back and either win the #2 lottery or a team in the very bottom of the lottery wins the #2 pick.If we don't get first, is there a scenario where 2 and the Pitts pick gets us 1?
Pittsburgh finishes #22 overall, wins the #1 lottery, Sharks are pushed back and either win the #2 lottery or a team in the very bottom of the lottery wins the #2 pick.
If you mean trading, I think the answer is no.
Imo, even if one of those UFA's are in play, they would at best replace what they lost with Guentzel who was not enough on his own to make them a playoff team so they clearly need more than that. I also sincerely doubt that they are actually in play for the Pens. They may have the space and the desire but I think most players in that position are going to look at Pittsburgh and see their window closing in the next two years if it isn't already closed with a missed playoffs already here for them. I think their top ten pick could net them a Chychrun or Buchnevich but they need both and another top nine option which they will try to get an answer for but will not be the only team after these sorts of players.Guentzel, Reinhart, Marchessault, etc. are all in play for them as UFAs. They can also shop in a lower market and target a Duclair or equivalent as well. If they keep the pick this year and it's 8th or 9th, there's a good chance they're moving it for immediate help for Crosby's final year under contract rather than investing it into a draft pick that won't contribute for 3 years when their core is shot.
They could go get a Chychrun (or equivalent) with their first rounder and use cap space to sign a top line winger and be in great shape heading into 2024-25 as they hand over the 25th overall pick to us. Could also use it to trade for a Buchnevich and use their cap space to sign one of the veteran D-Men on the market this offseason.
Outside of the Pittsburgh pick landing inside the top 5, there is a very good chance they're not making the pick this year and will instead be trading it for immediate help. So for that reason, I would rather get it at 11th or 12th this year than get it next year when it's likely in the 20's.
If the Pens have the 11th pick after the lottery, that pick belongs to the Sharks.If the Pens have 11th overall pick, can they decide to give that pick to us this year and keep their 2025's?
I completely agree. Supposedly next year’s draft is FW heavy and this year there are 6 top 10 D. If we don’t get Celebrini we still get our pick of the best D prospects at 2 or 3. If we get Celebrini it would fill a gigantic hole to pick up one of those D at 11 or 12.Also, my opinion will probably change if we get 1st vs. if we drop to 2nd or 3rd. If we get 1st then I’ll definitely prefer to have this year’s pick (prospect will be closer to helping Celebrini), but if we drop, then I might prefer next year’s pick because whoever we get at 2nd/3rd overall this year is at least a year away from NHL ready, so the whole rebuild timeline is pushed back a year anyway.
Agreed, if the Pens finished 11th or 12th, the assumption would be that 6 of the top 12 selections would be forwards. That would leave us with the 5th or 6th best Dman on the board. Would love to get Buium, but don’t see him dropping that far. If we were able to get Center #1, trying not to jinx things, I’d either go with top 6 D, but if the 6th D were off the board, Helenius might be there at 11 or 12 and have two more high end centers in the mix. Based on what I’ve read, Center #1 is his own tier, then the next 11 players are arguably tier 2 before the next tier drop at pick 13.My preference is this year and even more so if they land Celebrini since they could then walk away with 1 of the 6 top D.
If they don’t will the lottery the can grab Levshunov and it might be better to wait till next year.
I really want them to walk away with a top pairing D prospect for this draft.
Only 16 teams that did not qualify for the playoffs are entered in a weighted lottery to determine the initial draft picks in the first round. There is no 22nd overall moving to 1st over all.Pittsburgh finishes #22 overall, wins the #1 lottery, Sharks are pushed back and either win the #2 lottery or a team in the very bottom of the lottery wins the #2 pick.
If you mean trading, I think the answer is no.
#22 is in the bottom sixteen and thus eligible for the lottery, but because I forgot about the date the Penguins decide which pick to give us, it's irrelevant anyway.Only 16 teams that did not qualify for the playoffs are entered in a weighted lottery to determine the initial draft picks in the first round. There is no 22nd overall moving to 1st over all.
Whether they pick 2, 8, 9, or 10 they won't be getting a player that helps right away...it doesn't matter where they are in the top 10...they will make that selection. If they improve their depth, it's not that hard to imagine them giving us a 15-20 pick next year.That's why I want them to win the lottery for #2. Then they are forced to take a guy who wont help next year, can't use that pick to trade for immediate help, and will likely then surrender a high pick to us.
if they land at 8-10 they at least could use it as a trade piece to get immediately better though. At 2 they would have to draft.Whether they pick 2, 8, 9, or 10 they won't be getting a player that helps right away...it doesn't matter where they are in the top 10...they will make that selection. If they improve their depth, it's not that hard to imagine them giving us a 15-20 pick next year.
Whether they pick 2, 8, 9, or 10 they won't be getting a player that helps right away...it doesn't matter where they are in the top 10...they will make that selection. If they improve their depth, it's not that hard to imagine them giving us a 15-20 pick next year.
I think anyone that's willing to accept four years or less on term would at least consider Pittsburgh given that it's still playing with the likes of Crosby, Malkin, and Karlsson. If Stamkos makes it to free agency, it makes some sense as his term demands are probably in that range. After that, I think there isn't anybody in the free agent market that would consider the Pens that would compensate for what they lost moving Guentzel. I think their most likely result next year is similar to this one regardless of whether they go all-in or not just because the options likely aren't there.Which really good UFA would consider signing with the Pens after what just transpired?
They took their shot with EK65 and for me that was the last bullet for that core and it missed.
Smart thing to do would be to go scorched earth as there is no path back to glory with this core. But AFAIK that won’t fly with their ownership, so Pens-Fans are in for the Sharks special (19/20 - 21/22) before ownership will come around on the idea of a full scale rebuilt.
1) Pittsburgh has that special factor; it attracts players.Which really good UFA would consider signing with the Pens after what just transpired?
They took their shot with EK65 and for me that was the last bullet for that core and it missed.
Smart thing to do would be to go scorched earth as there is no path back to glory with this core. But AFAIK that won’t fly with their ownership, so Pens-Fans are in for the Sharks special (19/20 - 21/22) before ownership will come around on the idea of a full scale rebuilt.
A veteran player having a major resurgence in his game is plausible; see Pavelski/Thornton, Joe.
Yes but the Pens need to lose some games soon. I’m concerned they could sneak into the playoffs or drop that pick to 15 which puts one of the top 6 D out of play.I hope Pens beat NJ tonight to improve our chances of getting their #1 this year and also would make NJ 2nd rounder a spot or two better
What is Crosby resurging back to?1) Pittsburgh has that special factor; it attracts players.
2) It's always dangerous discounting Crosby and Malkin. A veteran player having a major resurgence in his game is plausible; see Pavelski/Thornton, Joe.
3) Karlsson might thrive in the new system.
Now, being fair, Letang seems cooked, and their depth looks awful...
Moneypuck projects them to finish 12th worst and gives them an 8.2% chance at the playoffs. Granted it was 2% a few games ago, still looking solid that we get that pick unless they win the lottery.Yes but the Pens need to lose some games soon. I’m concerned they could sneak into the playoffs or drop that pick to 15 which puts one of the top 6 D out of play.
Pittsburgh winning the lottery at #12 is about the only way that I would be happy about their pick going to 2025 right now (because it guarantees us 1st overall). Otherwise, I really want that pick now so that whoever is drafted is a full year closer to the NHL and we have a guarantee of a top 12 pick rather than the risk of that pick being in the 20's.Moneypuck projects them to finish 12th worst and gives them an 8.2% chance at the playoffs. Granted it was 2% a few games ago, still looking solid that we get that pick unless they win the lottery.
This is also generally how I feel, although I'll take what comes. Have no choice either way.Pittsburgh winning the lottery at #12 is about the only way that I would be happy about their pick going to 2025 right now (because it guarantees us 1st overall). Otherwise, I really want that pick now so that whoever is drafted is a full year closer to the NHL and we have a guarantee of a top 12 pick rather than the risk of that pick being in the 20's.