Preferred Outcome for the Pens Pick

[timorous me]

Just looking at the Pens' upcoming schedule, I'm afraid it isn't going to matter what we want. That pick is going to next year unless Dubas does something, uh, unexpected.

 

[DG93]

I think if we’ve learned anything from the 2009 playoff debacle, it’s that we should just let things play out how they’re meant to instead of wishing for one outcome or the other.

This, end of discussion imo lol

 

[Munnyro]

I'm concerned Dubas is gonna make some short term smart moves and they'll be better next year.

 

[Barrie22]

I'm concerned Dubas is gonna make some short term smart moves and they'll be better next year.

I just do not see how he can make the right moves with the lack of cap space and the fact that everyone that is signed beyond this year has a NTC or NMC.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

I’d prefer that the pens keep this years pick and we take the lottery ticket that is their pick next year.

- Firstly, Dubas has never shown that he is capable of materially improving a team through his moves. The Leafs, and now the Penguins, did not show notable improvement during his tenure.
- Next year’s Penguins are just one serious injury away from being at the bottom of the standings; they have no internal solutions to losing Crosby, Malkin, Karlsson, or Letang waiting I the wings.
- Even with $9M-ish in cap space the Penguins need to replace Guentzel just to get back to the level of this year’s roster, let alone get actually better. Like my first point, Dubas’ UFA signings have failed to fundamentally solve the flaws of his teams; I see no reason to expect differently this time
- Even if the Penguins somehow finish in the high teens or low twenties in the draft, GMMG can always package the Sharks early 2nd and the Penguins mid/late 1st to get into the top half of the first if that’s what he wants to do
- Considering my last point, that it should be easy enough to turn next years Penguins pick into a 10-15 selection in next years draft, I’d want the upside chance that the Penguins completely shit the bed next season. Combined with the Sharks already high pick, the potential to get multiple picks in the top 5 is exactly the type of outcomes this team should be chasing.

 

[CaptainShark]

While I agree with everyone in here that the Pens don’t have the resources / built to improve the roster significantly and that they are on a downward trajectory for years, regression - even age based - isn’t always linear and there is always the chance of a dead cat bounce

 

[Skeksis25]

Part of me would love to have 3 first round picks next year and root hard for the Penguins and Knights to collapse. But we're Shorks, so you know if that happens, next year's Stanley Cup Finals will be Vegas vs Pittsburgh and we will drop 3 places in the lottery.

 

[Munnyro]

I just do not see how he can make the right moves with the lack of cap space and the fact that everyone that is signed beyond this year has a NTC or NMC.

Carter come off the cap + cap goes up. What would a team give up for ~9th overall package? Assuming the Pens go for an established player.

Zegras? Keller/Schmaltz? Norris? I dunno what Dubas has for marching orders but that low of a pick could get a decent player.

 

[coooldude]

Carter come off the cap + cap goes up. What would a team give up for ~9th overall package? Assuming the Pens go for an established player.

Zegras? Keller/Schmaltz? Norris? I dunno what Dubas has for marching orders but that low of a pick could get a decent player.

We've really gotta get to the bottom of whether the pick is tradable or not. I'm under the impression from the Athletic and this board that if they keep it they can't trade it. I still think he'd try to flip the prospect for a now player.

 

[TheBeard]

I'll be at the draft this year so I want their pick.

 

[sharks_dynasty]

I'll be at the draft this year so I want their pick.

I’ll join you!

 

[TheBeard]

I’ll join you!

I'll talk to my buddy. I got thru a STH for Vegas who had to talk to their handler.

 

[Le Rosbeef]

Can't be unhappy if it's next year but would prefer it this year - the hype train would speed up with another top pick.

 

[stator]

We've really gotta get to the bottom of whether the pick is tradable or not. I'm under the impression from the Athletic and this board that if they keep it they can't trade it. I still think he'd try to flip the prospect for a now player.

I believe the Sharks can trade the pick, but it's probably not for the Pens until the condition gets resolved.

 

[gaucholoco3]

My preference is this year and even more so if they land Celebrini since they could then walk away with 1 of the 6 top D.

If they don’t will the lottery the can grab Levshunov and it might be better to wait till next year.

I really want them to walk away with a top pairing D prospect for this draft.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

We've really gotta get to the bottom of whether the pick is tradable or not. I'm under the impression from the Athletic and this board that if they keep it they can't trade it. I still think he'd try to flip the prospect for a now player.

The pick is tradeable for the Penguins under the correct conditions. At this stage, the pick is top ten protected with an option. I don't believe that option needs to be selected until either after the lottery or just before the draft but I don't see any specifics on that aspect of it. Last year, the lottery was May 8th and the draft was June 28th. If the option needs to be decided upon just after the lottery, the pick will either be tradeable for the Pens or transferred to us. If it's just prior to the draft then they can make a trade based on that condition being met or not.

 

[coooldude]

The pick is tradeable for the Penguins under the correct conditions. At this stage, the pick is top ten protected with an option. I don't believe that option needs to be selected until either after the lottery or just before the draft but I don't see any specifics on that aspect of it. Last year, the lottery was May 8th and the draft was June 28th. If the option needs to be decided upon just after the lottery, the pick will either be tradeable for the Pens or transferred to us. If it's just prior to the draft then they can make a trade based on that condition being met or not.

This is where there's a lot of noise. Per Grier, the Pens have 24h post lottery to decide to keep or give to us. Per The Athletic, they have 72 hours post lottery. So either way, it's immediately after the lottery that they have to decide. Per The Athletic, the pick is not tradeable if they keep it, they have to use it. That's the part I'm not sure about because journalists have said it's not tradeable, you're saying it is, others have said both.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

This is where there's a lot of noise. Per Grier, the Pens have 24h post lottery to decide to keep or give to us. Per The Athletic, they have 72 hours post lottery. So either way, it's immediately after the lottery that they have to decide. Per The Athletic, the pick is not tradeable if they keep it, they have to use it. That's the part I'm not sure about because journalists have said it's not tradeable, you're saying it is, others have said both.

It makes no sense that they would have to use it under that scenario. In that scenario, if they keep it, we're getting the 2025 1st round pick of the Penguins so that 2024 pick should be theirs to either use at the draft or trade it elsewhere.

 

[coooldude]

It makes no sense that they would have to use it under that scenario. In that scenario, if they keep it, we're getting the 2025 1st round pick of the Penguins so that 2024 pick should be theirs to either use at the draft or trade it elsewhere.

I'm not saying it makes sense. I'm saying that some journalists have reported that the pick is not tradable. Either they are wrong, or they are right. You think they are wrong because it makes no sense, I would like to know the answer either way.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'm not saying it makes sense. I'm saying that some journalists have reported that the pick is not tradable. Either they are wrong, or they are right. You think they are wrong because it makes no sense, I would like to know the answer either way.

Go tweet at Sheng. He may be able to dig into that.

 

[coooldude]

Go tweet at Sheng. He may be able to dig into that.

@Sheng Peng @Kcoyote3 Bat Signal! (I'm not active on Twitter).

 

[YUPPY 2 7 10 11]

let me lay out a scenario for you guys. Let's say the Pens finish at 11th in the 24 draft. Does the sharks take over the draft pick at that point and do the lottery? or does the lottery goes before the sharks get their hand on the Pen's 1st round pick?

It is important because if the Sharks Win the lottery for 1st overall and also win the Pens pick, they pick 1st and 2nd in the upcoming draft. Wouldn't that be something?

 

[coooldude]

let me lay out a scenario for you guys. Let's say the Pens finish at 11th in the 24 draft. Does the sharks take over the draft pick at that point and do the lottery? or does the lottery goes before the sharks get their hand on the Pen's 1st round pick?

It is important because if the Sharks Win the lottery for 1st overall and also win the Pens pick, they pick 1st and 2nd in the upcoming draft. Wouldn't that be something?

The pens get to decide to keep it or not, after the lottery.

 

[seroes]

let me lay out a scenario for you guys. Let's say the Pens finish at 11th in the 24 draft. Does the sharks take over the draft pick at that point and do the lottery? or does the lottery goes before the sharks get their hand on the Pen's 1st round pick?

It is important because if the Sharks Win the lottery for 1st overall and also win the Pens pick, they pick 1st and 2nd in the upcoming draft. Wouldn't that be something?

Pens get to decide after the lottery. If they end winning the lottery we will get the 25 1st.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

let me lay out a scenario for you guys. Let's say the Pens finish at 11th in the 24 draft. Does the sharks take over the draft pick at that point and do the lottery? or does the lottery goes before the sharks get their hand on the Pen's 1st round pick?

It is important because if the Sharks Win the lottery for 1st overall and also win the Pens pick, they pick 1st and 2nd in the upcoming draft. Wouldn't that be something?

The lotto results happen before we get the pick. Unfortunately, we cannot get 1st and 2nd in 2024 with the Pens pick. However, if it rolls into 2025, that's a possibility.