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He looks like he's had a huge offseason. I'll go with 32 goals, 29 assists.
I think you confused huge for fantasy.
25-25 is most likely upper limit this season.
He looks like he's had a huge offseason. I'll go with 32 goals, 29 assists.
He looks like he's had a huge offseason. I'll go with 32 goals, 29 assists.
It's been 8 seasons since a Red Wing has broke 30 goals. This happened in the 2008-2009 season. Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, and Hossa all did so that year. That barrier hasn't been broken since.
The closest of current roster players was Tomas Tatar in 2014-2015 with 29 goals.
The race to 30 continues.
FWIW, I think mantha's biggest limit In terms of goal production is the supporting cast, especially if he is not playing with Z. That said, if the pp is clicking (throughout the year) all bets are off. I certainly believe he has the skill to score 30.
Last season the Wings were 26th in goals for per game with 2.41 and scoring 198 goals total. The last year the Wings had a 30 goals scorer they were 2nd in the league with 3.52, scoring 289 goals, a difference of 91 goals. No team in the NHL scored more than 278 goals last year.
The year before, the Wings were 23rd in goals scoring. They are 25th out of 30 teams in goals scored over the last 2 seasons.
I'm just trying to pump the brakes a little on our boy Mantha so people don't think he's a bust when he struggles to get 20 on this Wings roster. They don't score many goals. Sure, it's possible. Tatar almost did it a few years ago. As did Nyquist. But A LOT of things will have to fall his way. Ice time, injuries, and a functional offense. The Wings have a bottom 5 offense in the NHL the last 2 seasons.
The only teams to score less goals: Coyotes, Sabres, Avalanche, Canucks, and Devils. Over those 2 seasons, only 3 players from those rosters have scored 30 goals or more. Actually, the highest total achieved was exactly 30. Duchene (30), Henrique (30), and Palmieri (30).
He was on a ~50 point pace last season. So you're basically saying zero improvement is his upper limit?I think you confused huge for fantasy.
25-25 is most likely upper limit this season.
He was on a ~50 point pace last season. So you're basically saying zero improvement is his upper limit?
I think it's more a case of the team being so lousy that it's going to drag his points down.
Even with a league-worst PP (terrible news for a guy with such huge potential for PP production) he paced 50 last season. If he can handle an increase in icetime and our PP improves just a little bit, 60 isn't out of reach for him at all. If Mantha was playing next to prime Datsyuk and we had Lidstrom/Rafalski back on defense I would think he'd have a shot at 40 goals, so by no means do I think he is going to reach his peak scoring potential on such a bad team.I think it's more a case of the team being so lousy that it's going to drag his points down.
The team was plenty lousy last year when he paced 50.
I could definitely see him hit 60, wouldn't expect it. He has a chance to be our best player this season, I guessed 54 in my points projections, though.
Even with a league-worst PP (terrible news for a guy with such huge potential for PP production) he paced 50 last season. If he can handle an increase in icetime and our PP improves just a little bit, 60 isn't out of reach for him at all. If Mantha was playing next to prime Datsyuk and we had Lidstrom/Rafalski back on defense I would think he'd have a shot at 40 goals, so by no means do I think he is going to reach his peak scoring potential on such a bad team.
hopefully he turns into someone that drives the bus rather than a passenger, as babs used to say
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/n...14/detroit-red-wings-jeff-blashill/666840001/
Trashill on mantha:
“We need Anthony to be a real good player. Anthony is going to get a chance to play real big minutes for us, so he has got to take those minutes and turn them into lots of production in a winning way. I’ve got great belief he can. He’s lost some old habits where he didn’t skate quite as much and now he is skating way more on a regular basis. When Anthony Mantha moves his feet and skates and attacks the game, he is an elite player. The key is to get to do it as consistent as possible. But he is going to get an opportunity to be a real impact player.â€
Trashill on mantha:
“We need Anthony to be a real good player. Anthony is going to get a chance to play real big minutes for us, so he has got to take those minutes and turn them into lots of production in a winning way. IÂ’ve got great belief he can. HeÂ’s lost some old habits where he didnÂ’t skate quite as much and now he is skating way more on a regular basis. When Anthony Mantha moves his feet and skates and attacks the game, he is an elite player. The key is to get to do it as consistent as possible. But he is going to get an opportunity to be a real impact player.Ââ€
Hopefully that means he is consistently in the top 6.
He was on a ~50 point pace last season. So you're basically saying zero improvement is his upper limit?
No doubt, not saying 50 would be a disappointment. But increased icetime (likely), better PP (certainly hard to be worse), added experience and physical development are all things that could help his numbers take a step up.Yes, I believe his pace is unlikely to improve. What will improve are his defensive, consistency, and overall level of play. Plus 82 games is a full third of a season more than he's ever played in the NHL, so doing that while playing consistently and well all season and putting up 50 points as a player in his low 20s is pretty damned good.