Phoenix CXXXIII: Colonel Shuffle's Last 'Ownership' Hill To Die On

[Baccus]

Nobody ever has issues making the floor, biggest non-event that gets trundled out yearly.

 

[cutchemist42]

So not sure how related this is, but the Diamondbacks are allowed to leave their stadium in a few years, and the articles mention they might be looking at tribal land.

Just thought Id mention it as its part of the arena/stadium financing picture in the area.

 

[TheLegend]

So not sure how related this is, but the Diamondbacks are allowed to leave their stadium in a few years, and the articles mention they might be looking at tribal land.

Just thought Id mention it as its part of the arena/stadium financing picture in the area.

Mighty Goose posted the related article in the previous page.

Like the Suns they can't move anywhere for several more years. Plus there are three significant reasons for them looking at tribal land:

1) Staying in Maricopa County avoids a heavy penalty.
2) The obvious situation with any taxpayer funding in AZ.
3) Their spring training facility is already on tribal land.

 

[mesamonster]

Mesa keeps trying to push the mantra of “The only way to win a Cup is to spend spend spend to the max cap.”

Was just perusing the Cap Friendly and looking at the Cap Hits (which factors in LTIRs and such) the four finalists this year you have Washington and Tampa up there at the max ($74.9, $74.3) but Winnipeg and Vegas are towards the middle ($69.9, $68.7)

As a reference... the Coyotes were at $58.8. But then you look at second biggest spender in Chicago at $77.6 - $2.67 LTIR (Hossa) and they ended up as a lottery team with them.

Never said anything about maxing out the cap! I have always said that in order to win you need to spend money of some kind. To remain at the floor, and in the Coyotes case, technically below the floor, your chances of winning go down. How about spending to the middle of the cap range for a change of pace and with it might come a shot at the playoffs?

 

[mesamonster]

But the point is you don’t need to spend to the max every year to make it. And it doesn’t guarantee success. Winnipeg proved the former, Chicago the latter.

Nobody is saying you do!

 

[Llama19]

Coyotes to Launch 'Weekender' Ticket Plan on Saturday

To quote:

"The "Weekender" ticket package will allow fans to purchase tickets for all Coyotes regular season Friday, Saturday and Sunday home games. The Coyotes expect to have approximately 21 weekend games during the 2018-19 season."

Source: www.nhl.com/coyotes/news/coyotes-to-launch-weekender-ticket-plan-on-saturday/c-298616570

 

[WildGopher]

Coyotes to Launch 'Weekender' Ticket Plan on Saturday

To quote:

"The "Weekender" ticket package will allow fans to purchase tickets for all Coyotes regular season Friday, Saturday and Sunday home games. The Coyotes expect to have approximately 21 weekend games during the 2018-19 season."

Source: www.nhl.com/coyotes/news/coyotes-to-launch-weekender-ticket-plan-on-saturday/c-298616570

Smart move. With the weeknight traffic out there, the easier drive on weekends might be appealing to some fans. And, if they sell out some weekend games because of this, then maybe some other fans will be pushed to buying tix to a weeknight game, instead, if weekend game tix become scarcer. A potential win, win.

 

[Llama19]

Smart move. With the weeknight traffic out there, the easier drive on weekends might be appealing to some fans. And, if they sell out some weekend games because of this, then maybe some other fans will be pushed to buying tix to a weeknight game, instead, if weekend game tix become scarcer. A potential win, win.

I doubt it moves the attendance needle much...this has been the breakdown of weekday vs weekend games under IceArizona/Barroway...

Season	Weekday	Weekends
2017/18	19​	22​
2016/17	20​	21​
2015/16	22​	19​
2014/15	21​	20​
2013/14	21​	20​

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[TheLegend]

Of course it won’t!!! Even though we don’t even know everything yet.

 

[Killion]

Of course it won’t!!! Even though we don’t even know everything yet.

.... well, hang on hang on there TL.... its' I think "helpful". The more weekend & holiday scheduling the better for Arizona & really any other club with a suburban arena location, and of course next to nothing in the way of convenient & quick public transit. So this is good, better. Not by much but its an improvement. Might or might not generate more traffic, better gate. Definitely improves the odds... But as you say, we dont know yet. Too early to tell. Lots of things could happen. Either good things or... very very bad things. Like a repeat of last seasons start through Christmas & beyond. Lets hope not.

 

[TheLegend]

.... well, hang on hang on there TL.... its' I think "helpful". The more weekend & holiday scheduling the better for Arizona & really any other club with a suburban arena location, and of course next to nothing in the way of convenient & quick public transit. So this is good, better. Not by much but its an improvement. Might or might not generate more traffic, better gate. Definitely improves the odds... But as you say, we dont know yet. Too early to tell. Lots of things could happen. Either good things or... very very bad things. Like a repeat of last seasons start through Christmas & beyond. Lets hope not.

I think the league and Coyotes both know the importance of the weekend dates so they’ve done their best to accommodate things.

I’m also sure they’d want 41 weekend games if they could get them but that’s not very practical on a number of levels.

 

[Killion]

I think the league and Coyotes both know the importance of the weekend dates so they’ve done their best to accommodate things.

I’m also sure they’d want 41 weekend games if they could get them but that’s not very practical on a number of levels.

Unfortunately not, no. Its too bad the League cant & wont accommodate any number of clubs in that respect, Pet Peeve of mine. Too many Regular Season Games, too many idiot inconvenient dates, not enough balance. 60 Regular Season is ample, and beyond the 06 teams & others with downtown urban arenas weeknight dates should absolutely be minimized. One size does not fit all.

 

[Llama19]

Unfortunately not, no. Its too bad the League cant & wont accommodate any number of clubs in that respect, Pet Peeve of mine. Too many Regular Season Games, too many idiot inconvenient dates, not enough balance. 60 Regular Season is ample, and beyond the 06 teams & others with downtown urban arenas weeknight dates should absolutely be minimized. One size does not fit all.

Here is some additional breakdown of the numbers...

Season	Weekday/Avg/Pct	Weekends/Avg/Pct
2017/18	19 / 12,335 / 72.0	22 / 13,650 / 79.7
2016/17	20 / 12,295 / 71.8	21 / 13,856 / 80.9
2015/16	22 / 12,876 / 75.2	19 / 13,899 / 81.2
2014/15	21 / 12,685 / 74.1	20 / 14,038 / 82.0
2013/14	21 / 12,540 / 73.2	20 / 15,073 / 88.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Despite the various marketing trial balloons...the numbers are fairly consistent between weekday and weekend games...

 

[Killion]

Here is some additional breakdown of the numbers...

Season	Weekday/Avg/Pct	Weekends/Avg/Pct
2017/18	19 / 12,335 / 72.0	22 / 13,650 / 79.7
2016/17	20 / 12,295 / 71.8	21 / 13,856 / 80.9
2015/16	22 / 12,876 / 75.2	19 / 13,899 / 81.2
2014/15	21 / 12,685 / 74.1	20 / 14,038 / 82.0
2013/14	21 / 12,540 / 73.2	20 / 15,073 / 88.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Despite the various marketing trial balloons...the numbers are fairly consistent between weekday and weekend games...

Thanks for posting those numbers... and without rehashing all of the reasons why attendance anemic.... they are within target range, just short a few thousand from sellouts consistently.... Really a case of so close yet so far requiring some radical surgery to the scheduling, obviously performance critical, need some massive financial injections.... I believe it can be turned around however given the current situation, AEG managing the facility, Barroways threadbare wardrobe... just on & on..... The franchise in park. Treading water. For how long does this continue?

 

[cbcwpg]

Here is some additional breakdown of the numbers...

Season	Weekday/Avg/Pct	Weekends/Avg/Pct
2017/18	19 / 12,335 / 72.0	22 / 13,650 / 79.7
2016/17	20 / 12,295 / 71.8	21 / 13,856 / 80.9
2015/16	22 / 12,876 / 75.2	19 / 13,899 / 81.2
2014/15	21 / 12,685 / 74.1	20 / 14,038 / 82.0
2013/14	21 / 12,540 / 73.2	20 / 15,073 / 88.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Despite the various marketing trial balloons...the numbers are fairly consistent between weekday and weekend games...

I wonder if the Coyotes have ever tried to ask the NHL to schedule "high value" games during the weekdays? Weekends draw better than weekdays, so leave all the weekend games to the Floridas, Carolinas, etc. and have the original six and divisional rivals play all their games on weekdays.

 

[TheLegend]

I wonder if the Coyotes have ever tried to ask the NHL to schedule "high value" games during the weekdays? Weekends draw better than weekdays, so leave all the weekend games to the Floridas, Carolinas, etc. and have the original six and divisional rivals play all their games on weekdays.

Don’t think it’d work well IMO.

People here put a premium on being home early. Even the local bandwagons. With many people having a 6am work start and schools around 7:30ish those who have to trek back to the east valley aren’t too keen on it.

Which is one of the reasons why they want to get an arena over there. I’d like to argue that they could have done more to build up the base on the west side of the valley but they seem determined to go east.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Which is one of the reasons why they want to get an arena over there. I’d like to argue that they could have done more to build up the base on the west side of the valley but they seem determined to go east.

I'll never understand why the Coyotes think it'll be easier to convert all of the Chicago and Buffalo expatriates than it would have been to build a fanbase where their arena was. But c'est la vie, that's the bed they're making for themselves.

 

[Llama19]

I wonder if the Coyotes have ever tried to ask the NHL to schedule "high value" games during the weekdays? Weekends draw better than weekdays, so leave all the weekend games to the Floridas, Carolinas, etc. and have the original six and divisional rivals play all their games on weekdays.

Here is a further breakdown of the weekday games...and their opponents...

Date	Day	Against	Attd.	Pct.		Date	Day	Against	Attd.	Pct.
10/3/2013	Thu	NYR	17,125	100		10/9/2014	Thu	WPG	17,125	100
10/15/2013	Tue	OTT	10,594	61.9		10/15/2014	Wed	EDM	11,648	68
10/22/2013	Tue	CGY	10,141	59.2		11/4/2014	Tue	TOR	14,202	82.9
10/29/2013	Tue	LA	10,452	61		11/11/2014	Tue	DAL	11,866	69.3
10/31/2013	Thu	NSH	7,401	43.2		11/18/2014	Tue	WSH	11,769	68.7
11/5/2013	Tue	VAN	13,459	78.6		11/25/2014	Tue	COL	12,163	71
11/21/2013	Thu	COL	12,285	71.7		12/4/2014	Thu	LA	12,254	71.6
12/12/2013	Thu	NYI	10,996	64.2		12/11/2014	Thu	NAS	10,194	59.5
12/31/2013	Tue	EDM	17,416	102		12/16/2014	Tue	EDM	12,085	70.6
1/2/2014	Thu	CBJ	10,539	61.5		12/29/2014	Mon	PHI	16,521	96.5
1/7/2014	Tue	CGY	10,229	59.7		1/6/2015	Tue	STL	10,876	63.5
1/9/2014	Thu	MIN	10,075	58.8		1/8/2015	Thu	WPG	11,390	66.5
1/16/2014	Thu	VAN	12,307	71.9		1/13/2015	Tue	SJ	10,631	62.1
1/20/2014	Mon	TOR	14,476	84.5		1/15/2015	Thu	CGY	12,982	75.8
1/28/2014	Tue	LA	13,681	79.9		2/5/2015	Thu	CAR	12,649	73.9
1/30/2014	Thu	BUF	13,000	75.9		3/3/2015	Tue	ANA	11,387	66.5
2/4/2014	Tue	DAL	12,257	71.6		3/5/2015	Thu	VAN	12,589	73.5
3/4/2014	Tue	VAN	13,449	78.5		3/9/2015	Mon	NAS	11,227	65.9
3/6/2014	Thu	MTL	15,282	89.2		3/12/2015	Thu	CHI	17,534	102
3/20/2014	Thu	FLA	14,442	84.3		3/19/2015	Thu	COL	11,684	68.2
4/1/2014	Tue	WPG	13,724	80.1		3/30/2015	Mon	BUF	13,612	79.5
Date	Day	Against	Attd.	Pct.		Date	Day	Against	Attd.	Pct.
10/15/2015	Thu	MIN	12,029	70.2		11/1/2016	Tue	SJ	11,046	64.5
11/5/2015	Thu	COL	10,270	60		11/3/2016	Thu	NAS	10,745	62.7
11/12/2015	Thu	EDM	15,545	90.8		11/10/2016	Thu	WPG	11,185	65.3
11/25/2015	Wed	ANA	11,578	67.6		11/23/2016	Wed	VAN	11,256	65.7
12/17/2015	Thu	CBJ	11,120	64.9		12/1/2016	Thu	LA	11,327	66.1
12/22/2015	Tue	TOR	12,234	71.4		12/8/2016	Thu	CGY	10,210	59.6
12/29/2015	Tue	CHI	17,197	100		12/21/2016	Wed	EDM	11,378	66.4
12/31/2015	Thu	WPG	14,027	81.9		12/27/2016	Tue	DAL	14,561	85
1/12/2016	Tue	EDM	11,391	66.5		12/29/2016	Thu	NYR	15,090	88.1
1/14/2016	Thu	DET	12,014	70.2		1/23/2017	Mon	FLA	10,042	58.6
1/18/2016	Mon	BUF	11,134	65		1/26/2017	Thu	VAN	11,203	65.4
1/21/2016	Thu	SJ	12,251	71.5		1/31/2017	Tue	LA	11,577	67.6
2/2/2016	Tue	LA	12,261	71.6		2/2/2017	Thu	CHI	17,125	100
2/4/2016	Thu	CHI	17,125	100		2/9/2017	Thu	MTL	14,098	82.3
2/10/2016	Wed	VAN	12,255	71.6		2/20/2017	Mon	ANA	14,554	85
2/15/2016	Mon	MTL	14,338	83.7		3/9/2017	Thu	OTT	10,611	62
2/18/2016	Thu	DAL	11,853	69.2		3/13/2017	Mon	COL	11,521	67.3
3/3/2016	Thu	ANA	11,999	70.1		3/16/2017	Thu	DET	15,036	87.8
3/17/2016	Thu	SJ	13,005	75.9		3/29/2017	Wed	STL	11,377	66.4
3/22/2016	Tue	EDM	13,408	78.3		4/6/2017	Thu	VAN	11,959	69.8
3/24/2016	Thu	DAL	11,887	69.4
3/28/2016	Mon	CGY	14,347	83.8
Date	Day	Against	Attd.	Pct.
10/12/2017	Thu	DET	13,584	79.3
10/19/2017	Thu	DAL	11,225	65.5
11/2/2017	Thu	BUF	11,477	67
11/22/2017	Wed	SJ	11,214	65.5
12/14/2017	Thu	TB	11,591	67.7
12/19/2017	Tue	FLA	10,203	59.6
12/28/2017	Thu	TOR	17,125	100
1/4/2018	Thu	NAS	13,190	77
1/16/2018	Tue	SJ	11,961	69.8
1/22/2018	Mon	NYI	11,707	68.4
1/25/2018	Thu	CBJ	12,281	71.7
2/1/2018	Thu	DAL	10,998	64.2
2/12/2018	Mon	CHI	14,357	83.8
2/15/2018	Thu	MTL	11,489	67.1
2/22/2018	Thu	CGY	11,904	69.5
3/1/2018	Thu	MIN	10,904	63.7
3/13/2018	Tue	LA	11,346	66.3
3/15/2018	Thu	NAS	14,527	84.8
3/19/2018	Mon	CGY	13,288	77.6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Mightygoose]

Here is some additional breakdown of the numbers...

Season	Weekday/Avg/Pct	Weekends/Avg/Pct
2017/18	19 / 12,335 / 72.0	22 / 13,650 / 79.7
2016/17	20 / 12,295 / 71.8	21 / 13,856 / 80.9
2015/16	22 / 12,876 / 75.2	19 / 13,899 / 81.2
2014/15	21 / 12,685 / 74.1	20 / 14,038 / 82.0
2013/14	21 / 12,540 / 73.2	20 / 15,073 / 88.0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Despite the various marketing trial balloons...the numbers are fairly consistent between weekday and weekend games...

Based on the 5 years, the average attendance is higher on the weekends by about 1500 which is a small dent indeed.

Have they done these weekend packages before? Otherwise, why would they make a special package effectively discounting games that show to historically to have higher demand?

 

[Llama19]

Based on the 5 years, the average attendance is higher on the weekends by about 1500 which is a small dent indeed.

Have they done these weekend packages before? Otherwise, why would they make a special package effectively discounting games that show to historically to have higher demand?

Desperate for bodies in seats...looks good when asking for that new arena...

"See, our attendances is rising...
how about building that new arena for us, too. Look at the potential revenue!"

 

[GordonGraham]

So weekday attendance when most die hard fans attend is pretty much the same and weekend with more casual fans is down 8% so we're at 0% growth with is 2 or 3 different ownership group in those 5 years

 

[WildGopher]

. . . too many idiot inconvenient dates, not enough balance. 60 Regular Season is ample .
. .

Agree. With the playoffs lengthened from earlier days to the point that they're almost a second season, the NHL should quit beating up the bodies of their most vital resource - the players - with their exhausting schedule which keeps expanding for no good competetive reason. 70 games would be an improvement; 60 even better.

You know what else that schedule would do? Maybe save a franchise like Arizona. Immediately lowers the salary cap, giving teams on the financial margin a better chance to compete. And if you take the fans now attending Coyotes games, and compact them into a 30-game home schedule, suddenly most of those games are sellouts, or close to it. I know the tradeoff of dropping a game and the fans spreading out to attend other games isn't exactly a one-for-one, but I bet the percentage attending another game would be pretty good.

 

[Jeffrey93]

My apologies....I'm checking in again for my 6-12 month update on this saga.

Is the team staying in Glendale now? I remember Bettman saying it can't and won't.....so.....where are they going? Any construction plans?

Who owns this team now anyway? And how much are they making/losing every year?

 

[Dirty Old Man]

My apologies....I'm checking in again for my 6-12 month update on this saga.

Is the team staying in Glendale now? I remember Bettman saying it can't and won't.....so.....where are they going? Any construction plans?

Who owns this team now anyway? And how much are they making/losing every year?

We're fine. Go back to sleep.

 

[Stumbledore]

Agree. With the playoffs lengthened from earlier days to the point that they're almost a second season, the NHL should quit beating up the bodies of their most vital resource - the players - with their exhausting schedule which keeps expanding for no good competetive reason. 70 games would be an improvement; 60 even better.

It would be interesting to have the NHLPA conduct an anonymous survey question of its membership: Would you take a 10% or 20% cut in your salary in return for a corresponding reduction in the number of games in the regular season?

What do you think the results would be?