Confirmed Signing with Link: [OTT] F Tim Stützle signs extension with the Senators (8 years, $8.35M AAV)

[Habs10Habs]

Seems high now because of the current cap situation. In a couple of years as the cap starts rising. This has the potential to be an incredible deal for the Sens.

 

[unicornpig]

True, though I don't think that really holds water in Ottawa's case. The problem wasn't the top line or Chabot's pairing, it was a complete and utter lack of depth anywhere else in the lineup.

and like i said in the original post if you keep handing out 8 milion dollar contracts youre going to have complete utter lack of depth eslwhere in the lineup.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Should end up being a good contract

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Salary Cap is due to explode.

This will be a steal in no time.

 

[ToDavid]

Backwards thinking.

You should pay for future performance. Not past performance.

Of course, but you can only predict future performance based on past performance.

 

[dman34]

YOU GET AN 8X8. YOU GET AN 8X8 . EVERYONE GETS AN 8X8

Except JT Miller

 

[DaveMatthew]

Nah, I saw plenty of his play and progress last year. What you’re saying may well happen, but this isn’t a great deal until Stutzle proves he’s an upper echelon forward. He’s definitely well on the way, but there’s still risk here for the team.

The thing is, there's risk with 98% of signings. There are a tiny minority of players that are close to risk-free (McDavid, Makar, Matthews), but with everyone else, it's next to impossible to remove all risk.

Look at these 3, very different, signings:

Stützle at 8x8.35M.
Miller at 7x8M.
Sergachev at 8x8.5M.

All players at different stages of their careers, with different levels of having "proven it"... yet all have risks associated with them.

 

[SpezDispenser]

and like i said in the original post if you keep handing out 8 milion dollar contracts youre going to have complete utter lack of depth eslwhere in the lineup.

Cap will go up big time too though. It all coincides perfectly to when the prediction of a cap increase is.

It's a bananas deal. Stutzle left a good amount of $$ on the table IMO.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Of course, but you can only predict future performance based on past performance.

Sure, but past NHL level production is not the only input. Past performance includes a lot more things. Stützle was a 3rd overall pick, flourished in junior and at international tournaments, and showed massive progression over the course of the last season (PPG for the final 50 games), where he was just 19. This summer, it's been reported that he's made very big physical strides (he's come to camp bigger and stronger).

He's not an unknown, just like Jack Hughes was not an unknown. NJ didn't need to wait to have Hughes put up a point per game season before being confident that he'd turn into a point per game player.

 

[Sypher04]

The thing is, there's risk with 98% of signings. There are a tiny minority of players that are close to risk-free (McDavid, Makar, Matthews), but with everyone else, it's next to impossible to remove all risk.

Look at these 3, very different, signings:

Stützle at 8x8.35M.
Miller at 7x8M.
Sergachev at 8x8.5M.

All players at different stages of their careers, with different levels of having "proven it"... yet all have risks associated with them.

Oh no argument here. I’m also not saying this deal is bad at all, to be perfect clear. Just that the player has to grow into it.

 

[Gurglesons]

happy for Ottawa getting their guys signed but at the cap hits Norris and Stutzle got, I’d be a little concerned.

 

[izzy]

Might look kind of “bad” for a year or so, but is going to work out excellently long term

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I can’t think of a single player of Stutzle’s calibre and prestige that didn’t live up to a contract similar to this.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I’m honestly surprised Stutzle signed this. I think long term he’s left a lot of money on the table.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Well, the pressure is officially on in Ottawa.

I like this contract more than the Norris one, tbh. Crazy to think DeBrincat might get 9+ as well.

 

[HighLifeMan]

I’m honestly surprised Stutzle signed this. I think long term he’s left a lot of money on the table.

He just guaranteed himself 67M dollars before the age of 29 with less than 90 points in the NHL.

He would be stupid not to sign this deal.

 

[BB88]

everybody getting 8 million in ottawa. they gonna be paper thin on depth.

These are amazing deals for them and will help with depth.

Superstar money is already 10+.

In few years it will be in 12+ range and Ottawa will have all their guys making max 8

 

[DaveMatthew]

That's Draisaitl's card after his last ELC season, and Stützle's card after his 2nd ELC season.

We can compare them after this upcoming year.

I certainly don't expect him to be Draisaitl though. But even if he's 75% of that, this is a good deal. At the time of signing, Draisaitl got 11.3% of the cap. Today, the equivalent contract would be $9.3M AAV. So Stützle got a bit less.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

LOL at him getting more than Suzuki!

Still, good deal.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

The gloves are off in Ottawa! Great signing.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

The thing is, there's risk with 98% of signings. There are a tiny minority of players that are close to risk-free (McDavid, Makar, Matthews), but with everyone else, it's next to impossible to remove all risk.

Look at these 3, very different, signings:

Stützle at 8x8.35M.
Miller at 7x8M.
Sergachev at 8x8.5M.

All players at different stages of their careers, with different levels of having "proven it"... yet all have risks associated with them.

I think the biggest difference is that Miller and Sergachev didn't have RFA years anymore. With Stutzle, you are paying a premium for RFA years, which we rarely see - Marner is a recent example.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

LOL at him getting more than Suzuki!

Still, good deal.

The better player more often than not gets the better deal.

 

[bossram]

Credit to Dorion for getting his core locked in.

This is the market now, clearly: An upward trending, potential superstar coming off his ELC is looking at an $8M x 8 contract, give or take.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I think the biggest difference is that Miller and Sergachev didn't have RFA years anymore. With Stutzle, you are paying a premium for RFA years, which we rarely see - Marner is a recent example.

You're paying a premium for RFA years, but not much of one. Even on a bridge, assuming Stützle put up 70+ points next season (which is what Ottawa projects) he'd get ~$7M per on a 3 year deal.

Ottawa is banking on significant savings in years 3-8 outweighing the relatively minor premium paid in the RFA years.

Will it work out? Time will tell. For a franchise like them, though, it's a gamble you have to take.

 

[Holymakinaw]

What an overpayment

Totally. 8.35M for 8 years for a guy whose had a 29 pt season, and a 58 pt season.

LMAO. What has this league become?