Jerzey Devil
Jerzey-Duz-It
This trade was a definite win for the Rags. Which is fine because those will be few and far in between for the next few years.
Not really an HF thing, 2nds ARE in fact that %, yes always good to have more than less, but lets be honest its likely a depth move.So I get the argument about 2nd rounders having less value than Hf typically acknowledges. But let's drop the narrative about Rykov being a 5th rounder who may not come over.
a) His value is substantially higher than a 5th now, especially given his WJC performance
b) He's coming overseas. I'd bet my life savings on it. That;s like arguing that a trade for an NCAA prospect is crap because there's an extremely small chance that they won't sign after their senior year.
Yes and I often see people scratching them off and saying another winner! Yes its an asset, IF something comes of itIf I offered you a free lottery ticket, would you take it? I' ll take free lottery tickets all day long.
So I get the argument about 2nd rounders having less value than Hf typically acknowledges. But let's drop the narrative about Rykov being a 5th rounder who may not come over.
a) His value is substantially higher than a 5th now, especially given his WJC performance
b) He's coming overseas. I'd bet my life savings on it. That;s like arguing that a trade for an NCAA prospect is crap because there's an extremely small chance that they won't sign after their senior year.
Terrible hockey player. Not a coincidence he’s only successful on losing teams. Worst trade NJ has made in a long time, and this man played himself out of what could’ve been a nice pay day this summer. But yeah. He sucks
Nah, everyone knows what he is. Has speed and no finishing ability. He’s either gonna score 20-25gs or like 3. Not worth paying himOr...it was a bad fit and some 2 months and 20 games dont mean as much has his last 2 years
not saying pit should or will sign him, but that's a place I could see him succeed in if he were to go there.
Nah, everyone knows what he is. Has speed and no finishing ability. He’s either gonna score 20-25gs or like 3. Not worth paying him
Terrible hockey player. Not a coincidence he’s only successful on losing teams. Worst trade NJ has made in a long time, and this man played himself out of what could’ve been a nice pay day this summer. But yeah. He sucks
Not really. Point being everyone knows he’s inconsistent..... didn’t think you’d have to dig too deep to get that oneYour first sentence and your 3rd sentence completely contradict each other....
Yes fleeced on a second round (48th when you expected a first for him) 12% chance of making the pros and a Russian who was picked in the 5th round and may never come over.
This deal was for Rykov, they must feel they can get him over here. Like was stated, everyone thought they could get a 1st for Grabner. There has to be a reason the Rangers made this trade almost a week before the deadline instead of waiting till the last day 5o see who might pay a 1st. Rangers have ties to Rykov through Busch and Shestyorkin. One way or another they made this trade almost assured that they can get him over here.
That's a pretty terrible mindset on why to make a trade.
Make a trade just to make a trade because you hope it will encourage the boys to play harder because you think "Oh the GM is going for it! He traded for a 3rd liner, he must believe in us, now lets win that cup!"
It was a loss for the devils. Plain and simple. These are just excuses now to try and make the trade not look as bad as it was.
I dont get it, for years all the Rangers ever did was trade their picks and we were told that is why they are not getting to the next level. Now we trade for picks and are being told 2nd rounders are worthless
I don't think anyone is saying it's worthless, but the Devils and Rangers are at different spots right now. A second round pick means something different to them.
The second round pick matters less to the Devils given they wanted to make the playoffs, get experience, and have had the most picks the last two years. To the Rangers, it's currency to bolster their prospect pool or use to trade
Guy I quoted before was saying how a 2nd rounder only had a 12% chance of making the pros. I fully respect why the Devils made this trade. All of us thought it would help you, nobody expected him to turn into a healthy scratch. I really do agree with a posting I saw before that his ‘heart wasn’t into playing for the Devils’ If there is any truth to that that is disgusting for a pro athlete to be like that, as unprofessional as anything.
The Devils absolutely needed to add a scoring winger and Grabner (theoretically) fit the team mantra with his speed.
Rangers win this deal, but it was a calculated risk taken by the Devils. If Grabner had performed at the level he did with the Rangers, it would make this one pretty close.
Almost every player has a certain type of game where they flourish, and a certain type that they struggle in. Grabner is no excepection to this, and it doesn't make him a bad plaerNot really. Point being everyone knows he’s inconsistent..... didn’t think you’d have to dig too deep to get that one
Odd conclusion, he was just as good for NYR in 16/17...and struggled for Toronto when they sucked.
Wherever AV finds a job, Grabner MUST follow
You got fleeced. From all scouting reports, Rykov is consider pretty close to a can't miss, NHL defenseman. Most project him as a top 4 guy. The pick who knows. Grabner did nothing in NJ. The Devils defenseman are hardly talented as a group. Giving him away for a guy that did nothing was a disaster if he makes the NHL and is a solid defenseman.