Speculation: NYR FIRESALE

[bernmeister]

If there's no bad blood, I'd love to have a guy like Kreider on the Habs.

Kreider is not available.
He is NYR foundation piece.
My hope/expectation is Gorton has to give AV a certain amount of time before coach can get sacked.

 

[bernmeister]

The Rangers are a dumpster fire. They need to identify 4 or so players to stick with and tear it down.

Lundqvist obviously would make sense to move but no one is going to want his contract relative to his current performance and he probably prefers to retire a Ranger. That's fine, but we shouldn't stay in "win now mode to try and honor him. Understand we're going to rebuild and if we tear the team in front of him down, he won't perform at a level that hinders us from drafting highly.

McDonagh and Zucc are strong assets that don't have much term left. They should be moved. Zibanejad is on a new contract but I can see there being strong interest, especially if he can keep being a lone bright spot. Fine with keeping him as well. Shattenkirk seems unlikely to be moved so quick after signing but I honestly couldn't care less if he stays or goes. He's a PP specialist, basically.

No one is untouchable, IMO. But if I were deciding who to keep:

1. Shestyorkin: looks like a legit future starter, goalies don't have big trade value, let alone unproven ones, and you're never likely to have a better G prospect in your system. Keep him for sure.

2. Chytil: just drafted, looked very promising just days after turning 18 in NHL action. Probably one of the highest end prospects we've had in a long time.

3. Buchnevich: looks very good, is the type of high end talent Rangers need, still super young so a rebuild coincides with his age.

4. Andersson: like Chytil, just drafted at #7 no less so it's a no brainer to hold onto him and see how his development goes.

5. Skjei: young D with highest upside and already good NHL experience, seems like a leader, should keep.

6. Miller: versatile, aggressive forward who can play all positions and slot anywhere in the top-nine and take any assignment and is young enough to fit into a rebuild.


That's really it for me. Three roster players and three prospects and I wouldn't even say you absolutely have to keep Miller, Buch or even Skjei depending on the deal. Fine with keeping Zibanejad as well. All of the Hayes, Vesey, Nash, Smith, etc. need to go along with the big names.

Can't see Lundqvist going anywhere. Can't see Shattenkirk moving this quickly unless you tell him you're going into rebuild and he says okay, cool, move me too.

Tear it down.

The young core we build around is
Kreider
Skjei
Shestys
Chytil
Miller
Zib

We are keeping Shatty [contract] and probably Pionk, Graves
Vesey is not going anywhere for another 3-4 years min. [we don't want college UFAs to feel they get flipped prematurely if they sign with us.]

Everybody else should be available at the right price.

 

[KlefDown]

What would you want from Oilers for Zucc

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

What would you want from Oilers for Zucc

Puljujärvi as a base

 

[QJL]

Puljujärvi as a base

I'd do Zuccarello straight up for Puljujarvi.

 

[Bone Breaker]

so Kreider is on or off the table?

if he is for sale, say your price for the Avs, please. only untouchables are our picks, Rantanen and Nieto.

 

[gorangers0525]

I mean this clearly shows the problem with Rangers fans (I'm one of them) and the Rangers management:

Lundqvist is untouchable? Why?

He is 35, he has played a ton of regular season and playoff hockey and is not in his prime anymore. He makes $8.5 million. Rangers had a chance to keep a younger Talbot who is the number 1 in Edmonton now. Instead as always they resigned an aging player for a massive contract.

So now they have a team that is spending $8.5 on a 35 year old and $7.5 on a bum in Nash.

It's hard to fix this team now cause no one wants Nash and I doubt anyone wants Lundqvist at that price.

Oh and I love that the Rangers planned to compete for a Cup this season! What a joke.

Lundqvist is untouchable because who the hell is going to take him at that cap in this point of his career?

 

[gorangers0525]

Price + Alzner + Lehkonen for Lundqvist + McDonagh + Kreider?

Awful. Alzner isn’t good, Price is ridiculously overpaid (as is Lundqvist)...you just should’nt pay that much for goaltending these days, and Kreider>Lehkonen. I usually don’t even call out deals on here but this one is garbage.

 

[Ori]

Add DeAngelo he was sent down to minors.

 

[Brock Radunske]

From Toronto:

McDonagh for 2018 1st, Liljegren and (Brown or Kapanen)

The thing that bothered me about the Brown, Bracco, Dermott offer is that none of those guts have top line/top pairing ceiling and that’s what would be required to move McDonagh from the Rangers. That’s why they would need Liljegren. Personally I am not very high on Bracco. I would give Toronto the option of Brown or Kapanen based on what they think is fair, but that would be my base for a deal.

That's a resounding "No, thanks" from this Leafs fan.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I would think a Ranger fan would want to trade Lundqvist if they are really thinking they are not going to be a Cup Contender for the duration of his career, I am guessing you are still able to get a decent return for him and I am sure the Ranger fans would root for him on his new team like how I am sure the Bruin fans all became Avalanche fans when Bourque was traded

I'm not so sure...

 

[The Note]

Would Tage Thompson+ for Zuccarello be a starter from the Blues?

 

[bernmeister]

so Kreider is on or off the table?

if he is for sale, say your price for the Avs, please. only untouchables are our picks, Rantanen and Nieto.

Kreider is off the table for almost everybody, acknowledging McDavid etc. and that he is not being dealt, thus a short list of 'almost'.

something around MacKinnon is fair value talent wise, but the point is, you want to add one to the other, not substitute.

MacK has 6 seasons on term including this one
Zuc and McD are 2 each, 4 total

to offset that, Col upgrades on pick swap

McD + Zuc + NYR 2019 + 2020 1sts
for
MacKinnon + Col 2019 + 2020 2nds

something like that, not seeing what else is a fit.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Kreider is off the table for almost everybody, acknowledging McDavid etc. and that he is not being dealt, thus a short list of 'almost'.

something around MacKinnon is fair value talent wise, but the point is, you want to add one to the other, not substitute.

MacK has 6 seasons on term including this one
Zuc and McD are 2 each, 4 total

to offset that, Col upgrades on pick swap

McD + Zuc + NYR 2019 + 2020 1sts
for
MacKinnon + Col 2019 + 2020 2nds

something like that, not seeing what else is a fit.

Bern why in the world is Kreids off the table and McD not? I'm sorry this is just flawed thinking, I don't want to lose him but he is not off the table.

 

[The S5]

Kreider is most definitely "ON THE TABLE". He is a physical specimen and scores his goals based on his physical superiority alone. As far as hockey skill, he has very little...Roberto Duran comes to mind. As far as hockey sense, he has none.
McDonagh is off the table because he is obscenely undervalued on this site. On top of that, I think his game is elevated once AV is canned. It seems obvious that Mac doesn't like him and AV is losing the room.

 

[cwede]

my opinions
if they "firesale" they are not trading 1sts
McD and Miller are off limits but for an extraordinary return
Fast wont bring back enough to be tempted
Hayes or Kreider would need to bring back similar youth, size, skill, upside
Zucc, i would only trade for what other teams' fans would call an overpay

i wouldnt 'firesale' but i would retool, replacing most older vets or marginal players with youth
me, i'd retain the young-ish core plus Zucc, thin the veteran depth for picks or youth, bring up kids and change the coach
if you lose, you lose with an eye on tomorrow
wish BSmith didnt have no-trade
Nash, Grabner, Holden, Smith, Pavelec, Staal, Deharnais, Carey, Kampfer, Cracknell(if he survives waivers today), - move em all for picks, or underperforming but select known prospects

many will disagree,
but for me, the young-ish core of Zib, Hayes, Kreider, Miller, Vesey, Fast, Buch, plus Zucc,
and McD, Shatty, Skjei, can still be the spine of a very good team

i'd be happy to roll out them along with Tony D, Pionk (or Graves/Bereglazov if they earn it), and Chytil, Nieves, Lettierri, Tambo, and a young backup G

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Duchene
Bigras

For

McDonagh
Vesey

Lol McDonagh by himself is worth more then Duchene+Bigras.

 

[Ori]

Yes, Kreider, Hayes & Vesey might be gone end of this year on how Jeff Gorton is planing the future.

 

[Ori]

I know many dislike Zucc or Ryan Mc, but all teams need some veterans.

 

[Savant]

I know many dislike Zucc or Ryan Mc, but all teams need some veterans.

It’s not a dislike of McDonagh. It’s the fact that his contract is up in two years and it’s a sellers market for dmen. If the Rangers want to rebuild, I would move McDonagh, and anyone with an expiring contract first.

 

[Ori]

yeah true @Savant, but it`s important to have some players above 30+ also in the future.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

so Kreider is on or off the table?

if he is for sale, say your price for the Avs, please. only untouchables are our picks, Rantanen and Nieto.

Kreider is on the table. Not sure about the ask from Colorado. Interested in how Landeskog would do with a change of scenery but don't really see a deal there. Also love EJ and he'd be a great fit next to McDonagh but if we're doing a firesale his age doesnt fit and Colorado doesn't seem likely to move a solid Dman. Just curious, why is Nieto untouchable?

 

[Samuel Culper III]

McDonagh for Jost + Bigras + 1st? Something along those lines. Should be a valuable 1st in this draft.

 

[Avs44]

McDonagh for Jost + Bigras + 1st? Something along those lines. Should be a valuable 1st in this draft.

You actually think a retooling Avs team remotely considers that? Neither the 1st or Jost are being moved.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

You actually think a retooling Avs team remotely considers that? Neither the 1st or Jost are being moved.

Not really. I don't think McDonagh gets moved because this is the situation that always plays out. His value now is so high that Rangers will only move him for that sort of huge haul. No one will pay it. Next TDL will approach, his value as a rental next playoffs is much lower, Rangers won't want to deal him for the available return, he'll get a huge extension and we'll remain mediocre.