Post-Game Talk: New Jersey Devils at New York Rangers - 10/14/17

[will1066]

Yeah, him and just about every other winger in this league has something holding them back.

I don't get why he gets hated on for being something he isn't instead of being appreciated for what he is, but to each their own I guess.

I guess you have lower expectations of him than many of us do because a lot of players would love to have his natural gifts.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Bad analysis

Agreed. Basically he hates everyone besides half our defense, and one forward.

 

[McD37]

I refuse to believe this is bad hockey team. I do not even think they are worse than last years group and that team got 100+ points. I respect AV, he is good coach IMO. It just looks like he has nothing more to offer to this team. I think he gets some more games and I am hoping Rangers will get better and start getting results. If that does not happen, firing AV and bringing in someone with new ideas, fresh look at the team might be the best decision for Rangers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I guess you have lower expectations of him than many of us do because a lot of players would love to have his natural gifts.

He's been a 20+ goal scoring possession driving winger over the last 3 seasons....

Alot of players on this team are worse than he is too.

 

[BHD]

For all of those referencing the Pens... consider who the coach is. Yes, any coach would have been better than Junior Coach Johnston, but Sullivan is what... a Top 10 - maybe Top 5 - coach in the league. Is Ruff that much better than AV?

 

[will1066]

He's been a 20+ goal scoring possession driving winger over the last 3 seasons....

Alot of players on this team are worse than he is too.

And that's with him not even trying that hard, it appears. As been stated, he looks lost more often than he looks beast. There's just that something that seems to be holding him back from being elite when he has the tools. His ceiling is perceived to be so high, so when we don't see it, it's frustrating and disappointing.

 

[will1066]

For all of those referencing the Pens... consider who the coach is. Yes, any coach would have been better than Junior Coach Johnston, but Sullivan is what... a Top 10 - maybe Top 5 - coach in the league. Is Ruff that much better than AV?

Who would've thought Sullivan to be such a good HC. He wasn't anything special when he was an assistant under Torts. Pens are a blessed organization.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And that's with him not even trying that hard, it appears. As been stated, he looks lost more often than he looks beast. There's just that something that seems to be holding him back from being elite when he has the tools. His ceiling is perceived to be so high, so when we don't see it, it's frustrating and disappointing.

That just simply isn't true.

Again, people want to rip him for what they wish he was rather than appreciate what he is. As he is right now, he's probably this teams best winger.

 

[BHD]

Who would've thought Sullivan to be such a good HC. He wasn't anything special when he was an assistant under Torts. Pens are a blessed organization.

Perhaps... However, you do know what you have in Ruff - and (IMHO) he isn't as good as Sullivan.

 

[will1066]

That just simply isn't true.

Again, people want to rip him for what they wish he was rather than appreciate what he is. As he is right now, he's probably this teams best winger.

Agree to disagree, but I like Miller's and Zucc's games more. Better vision, stick handling, boardwork, and anticipation. I wish I didn't have to rip Kreider. I really do want to see him succeed. I see him as being a limited dimensional player with one good move streaking down left wing.

 

[Holocene]

Perhaps... However, you do know what you have in Ruff - and (IMHO) he isn't as good as Sullivan.

Ruff definitely isn't the answer. But we need a shake up right now and he would be fine just to get through the year and then assess in the off season.

 

[TheTakedown]

I see this attitude all the time now, especially with what the Yankees are doing.

"Oh look the Yankees rebuilt, and now they're great again!"

The Yankees traded replaceable players for overpayment at the deadline. It wasn't "hey let's trade Tanaka, Sabathia, Gregorius, Gardner, and McCann and lose 100 games!!"

That's a good comparable

 

[DanielBrassard]

Agree to disagree, but I like Miller's and Zucc's games more. Better vision, stick handling, boardwork, and anticipation. I wish I didn't have to rip Kreider. I really do want to see him succeed. I see him as being a limited dimensional player with one good move streaking down left wing.

And yet Kreider consistently outperforms Miller in all facets of the game

 

[NYR]

Kreider

 

[Machinehead]

As far as the offense goes, it's difficult to put together 3 goals when the other team gets all the momentum after you score the first one, which has happened just about every time we've scored this year besides the Toronto game.

Or, you know, just blame Kreider.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Stepan? Please. Love the guy, true Ranger, but he would be making not one iota of difference in the current situation. The guy can hardly keep up with the pace of today's game.

Uh, pretty sure having a 1C would make a pretty big difference.

 

[NYR]

Ya know what?
Kreider plays only when he wants too.
He's got all the tools to dominate and be a 30+ goal scorer but he simply chooses not too.
I watched him last night, in person and yet again he just doesn't want to be the difference maker.
He's got zero heart.
He usually doesn't fall off like this until mid season..

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Uh, pretty sure having a 1C would make a pretty big difference.

I don't understand how anyone can say that having Stepan wouldn't solve our issues. The issues with our center depth are there because we traded away Stepan for a pick and a D prospect.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Mike Sullivan was awful when he was here.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Worked for the Pens, and the Isles last year. New Coach Effect.

Do we have Crosby or Malkin or a great supporting cast? How’d the Islanders do? They make the playoffs?

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Lol Staal has been getting top 4 minutes almost all season, not really a reduced role.

AV has needed to go for a multitude of reasons, player usage is amongst them but how about getting a coach in here who under stands the value of fore check pressure and not willingly giving up your own blue line? Or someone who will ensure that this team doesn't look like ass for large stretches over an 82 game season? How about a coach who actually treats his players fairly?

AV is a ****ing horrible coach who has been propped up by elite goaltending his entire career.

Firing AV is not going to make our players suck any less

 

[chosen]

Firing their coach did wonders for the Pens, and they were worse than we are right now. Coaching changes help, they're not fairydust, its a real thing.

When the Penguins fired their coach, they had 2 of the top 5 players in the world. I don't believe the Rangers have one of the top 50 players in the world.

 

[chosen]

Yeah, him and just about every other winger in this league has something holding them back.

I don't get why he gets hated on for being something he isn't instead of being appreciated for what he is, but to each their own I guess.

To clear up the mystery, when you can dominate a game, but do it 4 periods a season, you deeserve to be ripped.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Firing AV is not going to make our players suck any less

Changing the system and putting guys in a position to succeed certainly can.

 

[chosen]

As far as the offense goes, it's difficult to put together 3 goals when the other team gets all the momentum after you score the first one, which has happened just about every time we've scored this year besides the Toronto game.

Or, you know, just blame Kreider.

No one is blaming Kreider. We are asking how a player can easily be the best player on the ice a few games a season and be invisible for multiple games at a time.

Or you know, just blame AV for every single thing that has ever gone wrong in every Ranger game.