Value of: Mitch Marner

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Oh right, another guy the leafs had the chance to pick but liked marner more than.

this is silly. leafs obviously did their homework on marner, hanifin,provorov and werenski. they took mitch. he looks like he is gonna be a star. only werenski has established himself as much of an impact player as marner. hanifin in particular looks lost

Hanifin came along nicely later in the year. Defenseman take longer to develop too, that's not rocket science.

 

[IronHalen]

You keep bashing the sens, I'm not a sens fan.

And top pairing defensemen are more valuable than top line centers, there are definitely more #1Cs in this league than there are 1st pairing defensemen.

2 out of the last 13 Conn Smythe winners were defensemen. Unless you take into account the quality of the players holding the position throwing the blanket statement of #1 C's vs D's is really useless.

 

[torontosports10]

Yes, high end #1 defenseman are extremely hard to come buy...and those two will become just that.

Says how rare and hard to come by high-end #1 D-men are to buy, and then labels two players with 1 year experience as just that...

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

A rookie had more points than the entire Sens team minus Karlsson/Hoffman in the regular season. I'd be trying to downplay anything leafs related if I were a Sens fan these days too... Hopefully Karlsson can carry them to a cup this year...

Ottawa is in the ECF....

 

[Antropovsky]

You keep bashing the sens, I'm not a sens fan.

And top pairing defensemen are more valuable than top line centers, there are definitely more #1Cs in this league than there are 1st pairing defensemen.

Is this thread about Marner? Or Centers Vs Defensemen? Just wondering... Marner isn't even a Center.

 

[IronHalen]

Ottawa is in the ECF....

Being carried by a defenseman playing out of his mind.

 

[Kelly]

He's a habs fan, makes it a little more funnier to be honest lol.

Marner isn't going anywhere, even for Werenski. The kid is incredible. He's going to be a corner stone for this team for the next decade+.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Being carried by a defenseman playing out of his mind.

Yeah cause no one else on the team is doing anything lol

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The answer is 894,167

 

[IronHalen]

Yeah cause no one else on the team is doing anything lol

Nothing particularly noteworthy... (could make an argument for Ryan but...)

 

[93LEAFS]

A rookie had more points than the entire Sens team minus Karlsson/Hoffman in the regular season. I'd be trying to downplay anything leafs related if I were a Sens fan these days too... Hopefully Karlsson can carry them to a cup this year...

He's a Habs fan.

I wouldn't trade Marner for either Werenski or Provorov (not that I expect Philly to do the same), the development of defenceman is insanely rocky. Actually, most rookie defenders who get nominated for the Calder don't have a season that replicates their first one offensively for another 5 years after. Pretty much all defenders who get nominated for the Calder are so dependent on secondary assists and the production of others, they find it extremely difficult to replicate it.

 

[GoodbyeLuongo]

Nothing particularly noteworthy... (could make an argument for Ryan but...)

11 in 14. Pageau has 8 goals. Several guys between 7 and 9 points.

 

[ottawa]

2 out of the last 13 Conn Smythe winners were defensemen. Unless you take into account the quality of the players holding the position throwing the blanket statement of #1 C's vs D's is really useless.

And almost every cup winner had a #1D, which the Leafs don't have...you won't get far with Rielly considering he's not a #1D.

So look at the #1Ds on the recent cup winners that carried their teams dense, going back to 10 years...is a first line winger like Marner (assuming he maintains 60pts+ a season) worth any of them?

I'm talking Keith, Letang, Doughty, Chara, Lidstrom, Niedermayer.

Top pairing defensemen are definitely more valuable than first line wingers...I'm not saying Werenski and Provorov will end up like any of the defensemen mentioned above, but they clearly are on track to becoming top pairing defensemen.

 

[ottawa]

Says how rare and hard to come by high-end #1 D-men are to buy, and then labels two players with 1 year experience as just that...

I also labeled Marner as a first line winger...I guess he's not that either?

 

[Beautvillier]

Being carried by a defenseman playing out of his mind.

so because ottawa has an elite 1d that discredits the fact that they're in the ecf? if anything, it emphasizes the importance of a 1d.

 

[IronHalen]

And almost every cup winner had a #1D, which the Leafs don't have...you won't get far with Rielly considering he's not a #1D.

So look at the #1Ds on the recent cup winners that carried their teams dense, going back to 10 years...is a first line winger like Marner (assuming he maintains 60pts+ a season) worth any of them?

I'm talking Keith, Letang, Doughty, Chara, Lidstrom, Niedermayer.

Top pairing defensemen are definitely more valuable than first line wingers...I'm not saying Werenski and Provorov will end up like any of the defensemen mentioned above, but they clearly are on track to becoming top pairing defensemen.

Kane, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Kopitar, Carter, Bergeron, Datsyuk, Zetterberg.

Can go both ways

 

[IronHalen]

so because ottawa has an elite 1d that discredits the fact that they're in the ecf? if anything, it emphasizes the importance of a 1d.

How many teams are in the conference finals because of their #1 D?

1 out of 4?

 

[Beautvillier]

Kane, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Kopitar, Carter, Bergeron, Datsyuk, Zetterberg.

Can go both ways

keith, letang, doughty, chara, lidström

 

[93LEAFS]

And almost every cup winner had a #1D, which the Leafs don't have...you won't get far with Rielly considering he's not a #1D.

So look at the #1Ds on the recent cup winners that carried their teams dense, going back to 10 years...is a first line winger like Marner (assuming he maintains 60pts+ a season) worth any of them?

I'm talking Keith, Letang, Doughty, Chara, Lidstrom, Niedermayer.

Top pairing defensemen are definitely more valuable than first line wingers...I'm not saying Werenski and Provorov will end up like any of the defensemen mentioned above, but they clearly are on track to becoming top pairing defensemen.

#1 centers are more important than number 1 d in building a cup contender. Carolina didn't have a number 1 d, but had Eric Staal. Anaheim is the closest team not to do it with a #1C but they had a breaking through Getzlaf and Andy MacDonald.

We think Marner can be a Kane level winger, a playmaking top 3 winger in the league. Those guys like Kane and MSL have been pretty damn important in cup runs. Other high-end wingers of the sniping variety such as Kessel and Selanne were damn important for their teams.

 

[ottawa]

Kane, Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Kopitar, Carter, Bergeron, Datsyuk, Zetterberg.

Can go both ways

I agree...

#1D/#1C > 1st line winger (Kane is the exception on that list)

 

[IronHalen]

keith, letang, doughty, chara, lidström

I think you missed the post I quoted...

 

[IronHalen]

I agree...

#1D/#1C > 1st line winger (Kane is the exception on that list)

And I agree with that as well. But Elite 1st line players can be just as important as a top defenseman regardless of position. (which is the point I was trying to make)

 

[ottawa]

#1 centers are more important than number 1 d in building a cup contender. Carolina didn't have a number 1 d, but had Eric Staal. Anaheim is the closest team not to do it with a #1C but they had a breaking through Getzlaf and Andy MacDonald.

We think Marner can be a Kane level winger, a playmaking top 3 winger in the league. Those guys like Kane and MSL have been pretty damn important in cup runs. Other high-end wingers of the sniping variety such as Kessel and Selanne were damn important for their teams.

Kane is probably the most elite winger in the game right now, along with Ovechkin and Tarasenko...Marner would have to do a whole lot to be grouped among those 3.

You're reaching pretty hard...if you think future Marner = Kane, no wonder you don't want to trade him. You're also delusional.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

I agree...

#1D/#1C > 1st line winger (Kane is the exception on that list)

Thats the thing about Marner, he is looking like he will be a 80-100 point player who also plays a 200 foot game and PK's
To me thats a franchise level player no matter the position.

 

[ottawa]

I think you missed the post I quoted...

No, he didn't...you named three great centers and a great winger (Kane)...I named six #1 defensemen. All great because there's really not that many #1D in this league. Maybe 15 at the most right now? I can name 40 top 6 wingers in the game right now (including Marner) for you if you really really need me to.